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Building a Clubman: What kind of Handlebar?

Old 10-11-12, 03:41 PM
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Building a Clubman: What kind of Handlebar?

Hi everyone,

Thanks in advance for your help!

I am looking to build a replica of the Raleigh Clubman. See link https://sheldonbrown.com/retroraleigh...an-kohler.html

My question is what handlebar do I buy to get that look? Here are a few considerations.

Type of riding: Commuting around the city. Occasional longer rides on the weekend.

1. Is it possible to use a bar end brake? (My setup will be 1 front brake and a back coaster brake)

2. Comfort. More than one hand position is desirable. I would like a space at the top and be able to use the drops as well.

So what kind of handlebar? Nitto randonneur? nitto road 115? Major taylor? Lauterwasser?
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replica or just a Clubman style type bike? A Maes bend drop bar would l look appropriate. The Major is a track bend and Nitto rando is, well, a modern rando bar.

Search Clubman, Drop bar 3 speeds or pathracer on the forum and I think you'll get some ideas. I did up this Raleigh Sports in the Clubman style, the bars are vintage Raleigh's, I don't know what the bend or style is called.
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Very nice build. I've been thinking of doing something similar.
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Old 10-12-12, 06:40 AM
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I used a standard steel Randonneur drop bar that was comfortable to me on my 1941 Schwinn World path racer. Comfort is more important to me than style but it is your bike so it is your choice. Roger
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The popular "modern" bend handlebar of that period was the Maes bend, which is probably the most common drop bar bend of the 50's-70's. So if you have a plain drop bar that doesn't have grooves for aero levers and doesn't have the modern 'anatomical' bend, it'll probably look fine on a 'Clubman' type build.

The bar on my 1948 Raleigh Record Ace is one of those; an aluminum Maes bend bar that probably came off a Super Course from the early 70's, but it looks right:

This one, a Dawes "Certes" bar from the 50's or 60's, look about the same:


Some riders of that period still preferred handlebar bends that were already old fashioned at that time. If you want something like that, you can try a Soma Lauterwasser bar, but be warned: it only looks like a vintage Lauterwasser bar from certain angles. Here's the Soma one:

Our very own Frank the Welder made this copy of an original Lauterwasser bar, and eventually succumbed to my mooching and sent it to me:


The (original) handlebar on my 1951 Raleigh Lenton Sports has a pretty interesting bend. Note the short stem. But I don't know where you'd find one of these:
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Nice collection rhm.....I need (really need ) to finish some builds!

Here is a period clubman style bar with a little more curve than the Maes. An eBay find:
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I like this tell us more. Is this an IGH with a mutli spd gear on the outside? How about a close up of the derailluer/changer?



SO if I have this straight a "Clubman" is a drop bar 3spd bike with fenders?
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
I like this tell us more. Is this an IGH with a mutli spd gear on the outside? How about a close up of the derailluer/changer?
Yup! That's a three speed hub with two cogs on it --19T and 22T if I recall correctly-- and a "Resilion" derailleur that I got on ebay because the frame has a chainstay derailleur mount. It's a nicely made, well finished piece of machinery (as featured on Disraeli Gears) but a horror for wheel changes. I believe it was designed for three cogs, and setting it up for two was a pain; but it shifts well. End result, six evenly spaced gears.

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SO if I have this straight a "Clubman" is a drop bar 3spd bike with fenders?
Yup! That is, that's how we use the term in this forum. I don't think that's common parlance anywhere else, though.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
SO if I have this straight a "Clubman" is a drop bar 3spd bike with fenders?




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Yup! That is, that's how we use the term in this forum. I don't think that's common parlance anywhere else, though.
In the begining was the fixed gear. Yea though I ride to climbith out of thy saddle and spinnith through thy fertile glade; I fearth not thy gears for thou art within thy hub. Thy fulcrum and trigger, they comfort me, thy hub bringith unto me unto more terrian. My heart panted for thy mystical union and thou gaveith me thy hub of fixed gear. All the days of my life I shall ride with thee, fixed or free, one or three,..

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This is not a clubman but a lowly Huffy Bay Pointe I restored and converted. It runs very smooth and I think these American/Shimano 3 speeds are under-appreciated.

The handle bar and brake levers are from another Huffy 10 speeds. It is a Shimano 3S rear hub with a solid wire shifting. Most of these old Shimano 3 speeds are adjusted with the shifter in second gear but this one seems to be a little different. Since it is shifting perfectly now, the "set" arrow and another arrow are lined up when the shifter is in third gear. It does not have the 'N" window or circle. The beauty of this system is that you do not have to re-adjust the gear if you take the rear wheel off since the entire shifting system (the bell crank and cable) all come off together as a unit.

I have 4 other American/Shimano 3 speeds and none of them has this shifting mechanism.

Is this one I have on the Bay Pointe called positron 3 speeds?
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replica or just a Clubman style type bike? A Maes bend drop bar would l look appropriate. The Major is a track bend and Nitto rando is, well, a modern rando bar.

Search Clubman, Drop bar 3 speeds or pathracer on the forum and I think you'll get some ideas. I did up this Raleigh Sports in the Clubman style, the bars are vintage Raleigh's, I don't know what the bend or style is called.
^ This is a good look. In order to replicate it you would need an older drop bar with 22.2 diameter grip (as opposed to the standard 23.8), they are not too dificult to find. Then add upright brake levers. Those newish Tektro levers (fl750?) would look nice.
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Originally Posted by Velognome View Post
replica or just a Clubman style type bike? A Maes bend drop bar would l look appropriate. The Major is a track bend and Nitto rando is, well, a modern rando bar.

Search Clubman, Drop bar 3 speeds or pathracer on the forum and I think you'll get some ideas. I did up this Raleigh Sports in the Clubman style, the bars are vintage Raleigh's, I don't know what the bend or style is called.
Nicely done.
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Here's the bar on my 1950 Raleigh Clubman. As far as I know, it's original, which would make it a Clubman bar:



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^ Nice, very nice, What hub hub is on it?
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Raleigh put out a ton of different handlebar bends from the 20's on into the 50's. When the term "clubman" was used, personal automobiles were rare. If you could afford a bike and were "keen" on racing, you would pick something that could be fitted with clothing, spares, light over-night gear and perhaps a set of spare racing wheels. A lightweight frame with racing geometry, fittings for removable mudguards and a tool bag would be the order of the day.

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The (original) handlebar on my 1951 Raleigh Lenton Sports has a pretty interesting bend. Note the short stem. But I don't know where you'd find one of these:
Love those Lenton bars -- they look like a dream to install as well as to ride.
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The beauty of this system is that you do not have to re-adjust the gear if you take the rear wheel off since the entire shifting system (the bell crank and cable) all come off together as a unit.
This is also the case with the SA AW, if you don't move the little locknut. Well, OK, in theory.

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Is this one I have on the Bay Pointe called positron 3 speeds?
That does indeed look like a Positron shifter. I had no idea that this unholy union was ever consummated.
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Not a mention of the flipped North Roads? Porche no? You can have that aero feel without the crazy lauterwasser reach.
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We're trying to be proper here, none of that school yard hijinx, flipping a perfectly statley set ofbars just to get a cheap thrill...shesh!
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^ Nice, very nice, What hub hub is on it?
Originally it came with a Sturmey Archer FW rear hub hub though the wheel that's on it now is built with an AM. I overhauled that original and need to put it wheel back on. The front hub is a Bayliss Wiley, I believe.
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