Yeah, perplexing that someone who thinks an item is that valuable could trash it out that much in 6 years of occasional use. Must take care of his stuff... not.

Maybe someone should send him a link to this thread... Good for negotiating ;)

cheaper one in better condition

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/3330402304.html

Looks like pinched seat post clamp to me, and rusty chrome.

@ op.

Go for the gusto!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-De-R...item2a242d9337

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vintage-De-Ro...7l!~~60_57.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vintage-De-Ro...snw~~60_57.JPG

One of the nicest looking bikes I have ever seen. If I was a rich man it would be sitting in my basement with all the others.

In case you are still interested in a De Rosa Nuovo Classico, you can get a brand new 2013 model frame from BellatiSport.com in Switzerland for about $1,950 (see http://www.bellatisport.com/shop/cat..._Classico.html). You can also get a complete new Campy Athena alloy 11 speed groupset for about $830 (see http://www.bellatisport.com/shop/cat...eed_group.html). Your other option would be to use vintage components with the new frame.

Here is the De Rosa web site which gives a description of the new model - http://www.derosanews.com/italian/DE...-stardust.html

Not that I really give a rat's behind, but is the Nuovo Classico built in De Rosa's factory in Cusano Milanino?

When I tried to help a friend order a limited edition Neo Primato recently, we were told by the supplier in England that the De Rosa steel frames may be manufactured in the Pacific Basin.

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/de-rosa-neo-...mited-edition/

BTW The Neo Primato is about $100 less than the Nuovo Classico.

http://www.wigglestatic.com/product-...000&h=2000&a=7

He ended up ordering a Corum for about the same price. One of the nicer De Rosas I've ever ridden.

http://www.wigglestatic.com/product-...000&h=2000&a=7

gomango - you're more knowledgeable than I am, but I'm pretty sure it's still Milan.

I'm looking forward to building mine up - almost done getting the bits together.

http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/a...e0Pfg60_57.jpg

Doubt it at this point Aaron. You are keeping up with the De Rosa beeswax pretty closely.

I just really don't know about manufacturing origin details and was curious.

According to the U.S. distributor, the De Rosa Nuovo Classico is "100% Made in Italy." http://www.trialtir-usa.com/derosa/n...classic-mp.htm

According to the Australian distributor, "De Rosa designs and manufactures their frames using Steel, Titanium, Aluminium and the ever popular carbon. Their bikes have always been and are still, handmade in Italy." http://www.cyclingextremo.com.au/brands.html

The lower price of the Neo Primato compared to the Nuovo Classico is probably due to the chrome head lugs, fork crown, and chain stay on the Nuovo Classico. The Nuovo Classico also has a threaded fork.

Thanks Fred and welcome to the forum.

Do you work for Trialtir or just a fan? :)

Thank you for the welcome. As to your question, one would assume that since I suggested purchasing a De Rosa frame from a vendor in Switzerland, I do not work for the U.S. De Rosa distributor.

I just like the De Rosa Nuovo Classico frame including the geometry and recently ordered one in London green.

By the way, I believe that the new model Nuovo Classico is made from Dedacciai Zero tubing (Dedacciai SAT 14.5), and for comparison to Columbus and Reynolds steels, see http://www.strongframes.com/more_stu...ls_tech/specs/ .

That's cool.

Can't blame you for ordering a Nuovo Classico.

I happen to think all of these "new" steel De Rosas are value priced and quite attractive.

If you put this into the context of a custom built frame from a U.S. or Euro builder, they compare favorably at price points and features for sure.

Couple of questions?

If I remember there are three levels of the Zero tubeset. How does the NC's Zero fall in the tubeset heirarchy?

Is it Zero Tre or?

Also, I was curious if the entire NC is made from Zero or just the main triangle?

Not that this makes a huge difference, just curious.

I'm still a big believer it's the builder, not always the tubeset.

I've only ridden two bikes built from Zero.

A 1998 Bianchi Trofeo and a Sadilah that came into a friend's shop last summer.

Both were impressive riding bicycles.

Feel free to include pics when you get the Nuovo Classico.

So, are you going with the Athena 11 gruppo?

Which wheelsets are you considering?

Sorry for all the questions, but I have entertained thoughts of ordering a brand new Neo Primato for some time.

Also Aaron, I am really getting excited to see your new De Rosa project come together.

Such a very special De Rosa indeed.

Will deserve a proper coming out party for sure. :)

The best explaination of the new Dedacciai names that I have come across is from a post at http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/in.../t-393042.html -



"These data are from several sources, so I can't vouch for complete accuracy. However, it's pretty clear that the top Dedacciai steel tube set is EOM 16.5, followed by SAT 14.5 (heat treated, and formerly known as Zero), followed by COM 12.5 (not heat treated, and formerly known as Zero Uno). By all acounts, COM 12.5 is a very good butted tube set with slightly thicker tube walls than SAT 14.5 and consequently slightly heavier. One source says SAT 14.5 and COM 12.5 are the same alloy, but SAT 14.5 is heat treated and COM 12.5 is not.

EOM 16.5 Steel

A low alloy steel characterized by the presence of Boron. This series is drawn, triple butted, of double thickness and heat treated. Its chemical composition is
C – Cr – Mo – Va – Mn – Bo.

The technical characteristics of the EOM 16.5 series are 1650 N/mm2 tensile strength and a 10% yield strength. Maximum reliability and lightness.

Top of the range frames for both amateur and professional use. Oversize looking. Tubeset weight 1290 g.

SAT 14.5 Steel (Formerly Zero)

Triple butted and of variable thickness, this series is composed of Chromium (Cr), Molybdenum (Mo), Vanadium (VA), and Manganese (Mn).

Heat treated. The material undergoes purification treatment. A tensile strength of 1450 N/mm2 and a yield strength of 10%.

Renowned for its widespread use, this series symbolizes the perfect compromise between comfort and rigidity. Tubeset weight 1450 g.

COM 12.5 Steel (Formerly Zero Uno)

Triple butted and of variable thickness, this series is composed of Chromium (Cr), Molybdenum (Mo), Vanadium (VA), and Manganese (Mn).

Not heat treated. A tensile strength of 1250 N/mm2 and a yield strength of 10%."



From the chart at http://www.strongframes.com/more_stu...ls_tech/specs/ , one can see that the strength of Dedacciai SAT 14.5 which is listed as greater than 203 KSI is at the upper end of the range for the Niobium steel used in Columbus Spirit/Life tubesets which is given as having a strength of 177-205 KSI and at the upper end of the range for Reynolds 853 steel which is given as having a strength of 180-210 KSI.

If one does a conversion of the 1650 N/mm2 strength given for Dedacciai EOM 16.5 steel in the quote above, it turns out that the strength of this steel is about 239 KSI and that puts it in the same league with Reynolds 953 stainless steel. Also, when the 1450 N/mm2 strength given for Dedacciai SAT 14.5 steel is converted, it comes out to 210 KSI which agrees with the Strongframes chart which lists it as greater than 203 KSI.

Additionally, it should be noted that the Dedacciai EOM 16.5 steel tubeset is described as "oversize looking." That is probably because the tubes are drawn very thin to take advantage of the strength of the steel and reduce weight and have to be oversize to keep them from being too "whippy."

Since I wanted a vintage looking bike, I was not interested in a frame with oversize tubes.

As for the groupset that I am going to use, I would use a Campy Athena alloy 11 speed groupset because I have one on another bike and like it very much. It also looks terrific. But, I live in a very hilly area and I am 63 years old, so I needed a second bike that would handle hilly rides and had lower gearing than I could get with the Athena.

What I have decided to do is to mount a 46/30T Sugino Compact Plus+ OX801D crankset (http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/o...in_english.htm) on a De Rosa Nuovo Classico frame along with a Shimano FD-CX70 cyclocross front derailleur. (In case you are wondering, the Sugino Compact Plus+ OX801D crankset is a high end crankset and costs more than an Ultegra 6700 crankset.) According to the Shimano web site (bike.shimano.com/publish/content/global_cycle /en/us/index...), the FD-CX70 is designed for use with top gear chain rings of 46-52 teeth and has a maximum capacity of 16 teeth. So, it should work fine with a 46/30T crankset. The FD-CX70 is also compatible with current Shimano ST-6700/ST-5700/ST-4600 10-speed road shifters as is the Sugino Compact Plus+ OX801D crankset. That means that the combination of the Sugino Compact Plus+ OX801D crankset and the Shimano FD-CX70 front derailleur should work with Ultegra 6700 shifters and Ultegra 6700 rear derailleur and a 12-30T cassette. The combination of a 46/30T crankset and a 12-30T cassette will give me a reasonable top gear of 100.7 gear inches and a low gear of 26.3 gear inches. That gearing should be great for general riding for me, especially up and down hills.

If you are interested, you can see pictures of my bike with the Athena groupset at http://www.flickr.com/photos/76452700@N05/ . It is the green one. The black bike is a 32 year old French bike.

Thank you for the highly detailed explanation.

I'll dig through the info a little more closely tonight.

Fred, I must tell you, the two bikes on your Flickr set are absolutely gorgeous.

Folks here on the forum would be highly interested to see them if you should decide to share.

...and you are correct, Athena 11 is a really great looking groupset.

Especially on your Mercian!

Thank you for your very kind words about my bikes. As you requested I tried to attach photos of them, but I did not have much luck getting the file sizes right for posting, therefore the only way right now to see them is to go to my Flickr page.

If anyone is interested, a picture of a De Rosa Nuovo Classico frame in London green built up with a Campy Athena alloy groupset can be seen at http://www.google.com/imgres?q=de+ro...r:13,s:0,i:129 .
If you click on the link on the right side of the web page labeled "Full-size image," you will be able to see a much larger picture.

Hi Fred,

I've been looking at them all day on your Flickr.

When you are ready, try to start a new thread about those and take an opportunity to introduce yourself.

The bicycles are gorgeous and deserve a wider audience.

The De Rosa lovers on the forum love their bicycles.

But I dare say, not everyone here has a similar interest and your beauties may get lost in the shuffle in this thread.

I would certainly give you a hand if you'd like to give it a go.

Thank you so much for the kind words about my bikes. I have started a new thread at http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...tage-quot-Look . I did have trouble posting a picture that could be seen without clicking on a link, but I got some quick help from another online member.

Fred