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Old 10-14-12, 06:40 PM
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Project Modern Raleigh Sports -ground-up frame build.

So I found this LTD-3 on Craigslist last March and figured I'd rebuild it and flip it for big bucks to some Tweedy fellow looking for a bike before one of the summer tweed rides.

But that never happened as I got busy as spring dragged into summer and then into fall.

I have been getting a bit dissatisfied with my Ross Mt. Hood city bike conversion with the BB being so high and the frame not fitting exactly right for an upright city bike that it came to me that I should just rebuild the LTD-3 as my own since the '54 Sports I own is just too dear to ride every day for fear of theft and I don't want to modify it any more than it is from stock.

So now I'm going to build the LTD-3 back up into a more-modern Sports. I stripped it down and am repainting it. Now I am considering just how far I want to go with upgrades.

The LTD-3 frame is basically identical to the Sports except for lacking the pump pegs which I don't want or need for this project so I'm going to call the finished project a Sports because I feel like it. I think I'll even make up my own version of what I think a modern post-Y2K Raleigh Sports decal would look like if they were still making them on the original pattern in Nottingham.

One weird thing I found when I stripped the bike down is that someone must have re-tapped the BB to 24tpi sometime in the past. This boggles the mind as they put in Sugino cups and then put back the original cottered axle and heron crankset. Why they did this is beyond me. 26tpi Cups can't be that hard to source! But they did an excellent job re-tapping. I can't even see any evidence that the BB was tapped other than the fact that it is no longer 26tpi. This was a 70's Nottingham frame with a Nottingham headbadge, made in England decal on the top tube and Nottingham Heron sticker on the seat tube. It couldn't have been a 24tpi thread from the factory but looking at these threads under magnification I can't see any flaws or tell which ones were pushed over to make room for the coarser threads. I've even run my BB tap in and out and they slide in and out without cutting any metal but still have good engagement.

Anyhow, considering the deed has already been done with the re-tapping, I think I might as well go ahead and fit a modern cartridge BB and a nice 165mm single-speed alloy crankset I have in my pile o junk.

I'll rebuild it with the original frameset & headset. On that I'll add an AW 40h 3-speed hub and an X-FDD brake/dyno 36h hub in front -both on 590mm CR-18 rims.

On top I'll put some alloy Northroads and an alloy stem, with an alloy modern seatpost and seat-sandwich supporting a Brooks B67. It should be a little lighter and quicker than the old all-steel Sports with these lighter components everywhere except for the heavier front brake hub over the stock one. Yes, I've already spread the forks to 100mm. Out back, for bakes, I'll use a long-reach Tektro dual-pivot on a custom drop-bolt bracket. Levers will be something modern and lightweight alloy too.

Hopefully it'll all tip the scales under 30lbs with a back rack and baskets when it is all done. I know it will never be a "lightweight" by modern standards but the stripped frame doesn't seem all that heavy to me compared to a lot of other more modern chromo frames. If I really wanted to save a few more pounds I guess I could fish around for a super course frame or other 531 butted Raleigh but I don't think that would be worth the price for the weight savings I'd get back considering I'll be using the heavy hubs.

All in all it will be an interesting project and since I have almost all of the parts laying around other than the spokes to lace up the rims I have it shouldn't be all that expensive to build up.

When I get it all done I think I might christen it "Sheldon."
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Sounds great!!! Can't wait to see the pics!

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590 rims condemn you to low-quality tires. Why not 584's (650B) and GrandBois Hetre tires. Even Panasonic Col de la Vie 650B beat any 590/650A tire out there.
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590 rims condemn you to low-quality tires. Why not 584's (650B) and GrandBois Hetre tires. Even Panasonic Col de la Vie 650B beat any 590/650A tire out there.
Including the Col de la Vie in the 590 size?

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I'm perfectly happy with the Michelin World Tour tires. I don't have to spend more for tires than I did on the bike to feel like I am getting a good ride on them.

If people stop using the 590 rims and convert their bikes to other sizes the tire manufacturers are going to stop making the limited selection they are making now. That'd be a real shame.
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Sounds like fun. I've got an old Triumph frame that I've been pondering. The wheels were too rusty to bother with but the paint is still shiny. I've rebuilt dozens of these the old fashioned way. Maybe it'd be ok to do one up nice and modern. I was thinking skinny 700s and drop bars and make it a fast(ish) bike but it looks like I'll have all winter to think about it.
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I pondered 700 but decided against it. I've got a pair of Weinmann DP-18's just sitting on my rack waiting for a project but they are bit narrow for the kind of tires I want to run on a bike like this. 32mm is about right and a set of 590 tires runs around that. 32mm tires on the DP-18's would be pushing it. Also the 23" frame fits me about right but the stand-over is right there at the limit. Jumping up to 700 is going to be another 1/2" higher at the top-tube at least and just might be too much for comfort when the going gets sloppy or icy.

I am going to be pulling the CR-18's off of my dad's '54 and going back to the original steel rims so I can re-use the rear 40h at least. I'll probably find a use for the 32h front someday or swap it to someone -so I'll need a new 36h to lace up to the X-FDD hub. That's $30 or so + another $35 in spokes. I shouldn't need too much else for the project -maybe a few minor things from the coop. Oh, and a seatpost and a long-reach Tektro dual-pivot. That will be another $30 right there unless I can find a used one. I'm over $100 already.

Budget schmudget...
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I was thinking skinny 700s and drop bars and make it a fast(ish) bike but it looks like I'll have all winter to think about it.
Thought about doing this myself. I've got a 23" LDT frame and a 700, 3spd, Sturmey drum brakewheel set. I haven't done becasue I keep thinking "why would I use a heavy frame set from the LDT instead of a lighter 531 frame like from a Supercouse?

I'm interested to see how yours turns out.
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Jumping up to 700 is going to be another 1/2" higher at the top-tube. Oh, and a seatpost.

Budget schmudget...
Yeah, but I just happen to have a pair of 700s that would look great on my bike, and 23" is a hair small for me. I get the 26" affection, though. Most of my favorite bikes are 26" and I like the look of them. I also like dirt roads, too. You can take a 26 into the rough just a little. 700s are fast but they can be fragile and sometimes when I'm having fun. I don't want to have to be that careful.
You know, I just got a pair of 25.4 alloy seatposts from Niagara (or was it Nashbar, I always get them confused) for $4 and change, plus shipping. Nothing fancy but perfectly functional.
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I've got a 700, 3spd, Sturmey drum brakewheel set.
Oh man, I like the sound of that. Can we see pictures?
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I want to make sure and get a modern seatpost for this bike. I have a seat-sandwich meat-slice in my toolbox I want to use and don't want the extra weight of the double-rail clamp on the B-66. Besides, I need the clamp for another saddle I'm going to use on my '54 and those double-rail clamps are pricey...
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What, no pics???? BOOOOOOOOOO!
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What, no pics???? BOOOOOOOOOO!
Ever see a stripped Sports/LTD-3 frame? That's what it looks like right now-and a box of parts...

When I get it painted I'll post some pics. This is going to be a slow project. I've got so many other irons in the fire right now and I've been sick the last 3 weeks it seems blowing liquids out of all holes. No time to take photos, much less get anything done on this bike other than gathering parts together from the garage into one box.
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I want to make sure and get a modern seatpost for this bike.
This one has the built in clamp.
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I'll have to add one then. I've got an order from Niagra already started.
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Hmm, I don't see it now. Just the $14 one. Maybe I got the one without the clamp. You'd think I'd remember this kind of thing.
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