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Campagnolo Non-fluted Seatpost - SR Era?

I read recently that the last generation Campagnolo Super Record (1986) included a single bolt, non-fluted seatpost, styled exactly like the Super Record fluted seatpost, to go along with the last generation SR non-fluted cranks. I know the cranks came in 2 versions - engraved logo and etched logo.

I didn't think this was correct as I thought the last generation SR seatpost was still fluted but fully polished.

Can anyone help me with this 'huge' dilemma?

Non fluted seatpost styled on the Super Record single bolt, fluted seatpost:


Last Generation Super Record non fluted cranks:


Three generations of Campagnolo's Super Record single-bolt seat post. First on the right, second on the left, and last in the middle:


The 1986 Campagnolo Catalogue showing the 1st era of 'Corsa' Record mentions a 'styled' seatpost and a 'round' seatpost but does not show the 'round' seatpost.

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That is correct. I have had a number of the non fluted seat posts. They also have an allen bolt instead of a 13mm. They tend to end up on my wife's bikes with half the engraving hidden, better than half the flute hidden. They usually bring quite a premium over a fluted model.
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That is correct. I have had a number of the non fluted seat posts. They also have an allen bolt instead of a 13mm. They tend to end up on my wife's bikes with half the engraving hidden, better than half the flute hidden. They usually bring quite a premium over a fluted model.
Thanks roadrunner2012, I have always thought the cylindrical, non-fluted seatpost was introduced as an alternative to the aero post in the c-record groupset of circa 1986.

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The original post didn't sound right to me...I thought they had made these for a few years...

http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.as...=105&AbsPos=17

"Late 1980's - Early 1990's"

I have two of them and, aesthetically, I think it's the nicest Campy post built.
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
The original post didn't sound right to me...I thought they had made these for a few years...

http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.as...=105&AbsPos=17

"Late 1980's - Early 1990's"

I have two of them and, aesthetically, I think it's the nicest Campy post built.
Thanks Aaron, I think the non fluted seatpost is a beautiful post too.
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It predates 1986. I think it first shows up in the Olympic catalog for 1984, which came out in 82-83. I'm not positive, but maybe someone with an old catalog can confirm.

It is not shown in the C-Record catalog, aero only.
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Thanks roadrunner2012, great research. I will try to look-up the '84 Olympic catalogue. I looked in the 1st C-record catalogue and only saw the aero post too.
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Perhaps I'm answering my own question here but I really would like to know what the ultimate Super Record seatpost was. I have a nice '85 Cinelli Supercorsa frame I bought new and I have been trying to fit it with the last generation of Super Record components along with an OMAS fixing set.



As I mentioned at the start of this thread, I recently read that the final version Super Record Gruppo had a non-fluted seatpost. I thought this was incorrect but I wasn't sure of my facts. I really wanted my Cinelli to feature the last Gen. Super Record.

I would imagine this would interest any person wanting to kit-out their mid 80's frame with Super Record.

I think I may be onto something that may help me answer my own silly question. I have a copy of the Campagnolo "Catalogue n. 18 bis" (1985/6) that shows 2 versions of the single bolt seat post for the Corsa Record (C-Record) groupset. This catalogue introduces us to C-Record for the first time. It shows a 'Styled' (we know it as Aero) seatpin 180mm long and a 'Circular' seatpin 130mm long. This Catalogue was an addendum to "Catalogue n. 18".

"Catalogue n. 18" (1984/6) showed the Super Record Groupset featuring the second version of the Super Record seatposts depicted in the image I included at the start of this thread.

Unfortunately I cannot find a way to include the image of the Corsa Record seatposts from the Catalogue.

My conclusion: The 'cylindrical' seatpost was introduced in the Corsa Record groupset. The last version of the Super Record groupset was still available when the Corsa Record groupeset was introduced. It would have been possible to include the 'cylindrical' seatpost into a set of Super Record components to kit-out a new frame.

I still may be completely wrong. What do you think?

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Gary,

I didn't scroll all the way to the end on 1`8bis, so I missed the round seat post. I just went to the garage and checked, that is NOT the same as the two I have that say Campagnolo on the side. Neither of mine have that machining. Mine also have two different bolts, one smooth, one with knurling.
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Thanks roadrunner2012, your seatposts sound like the next generation (90's to 2000's), thanks for your input.
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No, definitely '80's.

Here is a picture, side by side with fluted:

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Now thats what i'm talking about! Yes, definitely 80's. Thanks roadrunner2012. Fantastic photo. I think the top one was introduced as part of the C-Record groupset while the bottom one was the last version of the Super Record groupset. My (new to me) theory was that they were available at the same time around 1985/6.

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Gary, you got me wondering, and I found what could be them in a couple of catalogs. There is no side shot, but it is in the 1996 & 1997 catalogs! I really thought they were older than that.

There is one on eBay in the States that says 1996. They claim it to be 'like NOS", but it's gouged and has been polished, poorly:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Campagnolo-R...item2c68ff8aa8

Any day I learn something is a good day....thanks!
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Sorry for the size, 1996 catalog
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I'm pretty sure that they are older than that too. I had a look at the ebay seatpost you sent. It does look to be used. I think Campagnolo used this cylindrical style of seatpost for at least 10 years.

I think they introduced a seatpost like your circular post in the mid 1980's. The photo of the 'circular' seatpost in the 1986 "Catalogue n. 18bis" does not clearly show the side of the seatpost so it is impossible to say whether the Campagnolo logo is on the seatpost.

Luckily a friend had a late 80's copy of the Campagnolo Corsa Record Catalogue that clearly shows 4 versions of the Record seatpost. Two Circular and two Styled with a 130mm version for each and a 180mm for each. The circular seatpost looked like this:



As you point out roadrunner 2012, I think a newer version was introduced in the mid 90's. He also had copies of the 95, 96 & 97 catalogues that all showed a cylindrical Record seatpost in their Gruppo photographs that I think looked like this:



The catalogues are not all that clear and the sides of the posts are difficult to see but I think the CAMPAGNOLO logo is vertical and on both sides of the seatpost, as shown above.

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Mine is definitely the later version you show, I think your first picture in the OP shows the same seat post, pic is kind of small to be sure.

The 80's version did not have Campagnolo down the side, as best I can tell.
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One of my friends had a high end Schwinn BMX with one of these post when I was young.
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Thanks zukahn1, I wonder if your mate's BMX had a Campagnolo BMX groupset? They did exist but I've never seen one. Never the less, his BMX had a pretty desirable seatpost to go along with his high end Schwinn BMX.
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Originally Posted by roadrunner2012 View Post
Mine is definitely the later version you show, I think your first picture in the OP shows the same seat post, pic is kind of small to be sure.

The 80's version did not have Campagnolo down the side, as best I can tell.
Thanks for all your help roadrunner2012, its been great fun trying to find the "truth" behind Campy's Circular seatpost.

I think there was an even later version of the circular seatpost. It has 'RECORD' or 'CHORUS' etched horizontally just above the limit line. Does anyone know the story behind this post?

Here is one if you can see it in this small image:


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My 96' Primato has one and I'd wager it's original to the bike. They made these for a few years, though they were less common than the aero design.
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Thanks Aaron, thats a great lead - 1996. I know I have seen them in the past but I didn't take much notice of them. I am only just realising that Campagnolo has used this style of seatpost for more years than I realised.

One of the reasons I am interested in the round Campy posts is that I had an aero post snap on me and I don't trust them anymore. I think the round posts may be a little stronger.

Thanks once again Aaron.
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