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Old 10-16-12, 11:54 AM
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are C&V Peugeots more available in France?

Seems like the PX-10 has become hard to find & desirable in the US. Does anyone know if they'd be easier and/or cheaper in France? My nephew is going there (to Nice) to work, I asked him to keep an eye out for me. Not that I'm a big French bike fan, but it would be a fun find.
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That's weird,........If anything, I thought there has actually been a glut of nice C&V Peugeots for auction at eBay in the last year. UO's of all sorts, Super Competitions, PX10s, PR10s, PGNs, Triathlons, PSNs, PSV's and even a few hard to find PY10FCs in very good condition (and even some much rarer late 80's Euro-only 753 framed racers) have been popping up regularly in the auction site and have been selling for less money than they did just a couple of years ago because of the generally depressed C&V market.
Keep looking there's lot of them out there...
I was in France, Spain and Italy last year and was surprised to see hardly any interesting C&V bikes on the streets only nice bikes I saw were modern Al and CF framed bikes......makes me think that there's actually more nice C&V bikes to find in the US than in most of Europe these days......

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Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
I was in France, Spain and Italy last year and was surprised to see hardly any interesting C&V bikes on the streets only nice bikes I saw were modern Al and CF framed bikes......makes me think that there's actually more nice C&V bikes to find in the US than in most of Europe these days......
+1. I was in Spain this year and Italy the year before. I saw almost zero classic bikes. I was really surprised. It was to the point that when I saw a 70's Peugeot in Spain, I spent a few minutes looking at it even though it was nothing special.
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they are around- but unfortunatly not the easiest to find.
PUG's are also in germany
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The classic Pugs are everywhere they sold millions of them in Europe so I'm surpised you didn't see a lot of them.
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Really? That's odd.

There are tons of old bikes in New York City. I see them locked up outside and being ridden in the streets. I say "old" instead of "classic" or "vintage" because I get the feeling that many of the owners don't ride these bikes out of sentimentality but out of practicality. The bikes have lasted a long time and will continue to serve, so there's no need to replace them.
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look and you may find!!!


http://cgi.ebay.fr/ANCIEN-VELO-COURS...item1c2bec946d



http://cgi.ebay.fr/vintage-bike-peugeot-PX-10-selle-ideale-59-record-simplex-gold-/110964308865?pt=FR_JG_Sports_Cyclisme_V%C3%A9los&hash=item19d5fcfb81

http://cgi.ebay.fr/Bicycle-Peugeot-S...item416ce4382f

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Originally Posted by vinfix View Post
Seems like the PX-10 has become hard to find & desirable in the US. Does anyone know if they'd be easier and/or cheaper in France? My nephew is going there (to Nice) to work, I asked him to keep an eye out for me. Not that I'm a big French bike fan, but it would be a fun find.
Save your money, have him get cologne instead.
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when I lived in France and Italy(20 years ago) there were plenty of vitage bikes 60's and 70's and the last time I was in Germany (this spring) there were vintage bikes bikes every where. just have to look for them in the right places I guess.

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I see more interesting C&V bikes in San Francisco in a single day than I ever saw in the many big Southern European cities I was in for almost a month and my eyes were wide open eveywhere we went, even in the smallest towns we visited. C&V bikes were just not there last year.........lostarchitect seems to confirm this........ Maybe all the now very enthusiastic C&V collectors from the far east and the US cleaned out southern Europe of most of their C&V bikes??......

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when I lived in France and Italy(20 years ago) there were plenty of vitage bikes 60's and 70's and the last time I was in Germany (this spring) there were vintage bikes bikes every where. just have to look for them in the right places I guess.

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Not really since the classic PX-10 was mostely export model.
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I see plenty of vintage bikes here but it's true that modern bikes are very popular as well.
You need to know where to look for them. I would say a realistic price for a PX10 would be between 80 - 150 euros.
But it is always possible to see them for cheaper or more expensive. The more expensive ones normally won't sell though.
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I was in Italy twice within the past year and half and didnt see much in C&V either and I was looking at everything.

The number of ebay ads with the key word 'Peugeot' has gone up in recent years. There used to be around 150 ads during peak season, at the moment there's 273. I've also noticed alot more framesets, I have strong feeling bikes are being parted out.
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I would imagine that there are far more pre-boom era Peugeot in France than the USA, as the lightweight bicycle was well established in Europe but virtually unknown in the USA. However, I suspect the exact opposite would be true for the boom era. During the boom, the USA's population was slightly greater than 4x that of France. This gives the opportunity for far more USA sales, particularly when one one considers that France had a relatively large existing population of lightweight bicycles while it was a new phenonenom in the USA. Post boom, I would still expect more in USA, just based on the population differential. The other factor playing into the USA's favour is that Peugeot was historically second to Motobecane in France while Peugeot was more dominant in the USA, especially during the early boom era. The one fly in the ointment is that the European marketplace does not seem to have been as diverse in big brands. They wouldn't have felt the impact on market share from the big Asian brands like the USA did.
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That's a well reasoned conjecture, T-Mar.
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Have him look for a top end Motobecane too. Better bikes, IMO.
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I suspect that the classics are in garages and sit collecting dust, or worse, rust. When I was in Europe in 2007 I saw lots of classics in the urban centers of smaller italian towns, usually ridden by older folks often with upright handlebars, some of them were even clearly retired racing steeds, others shiny old bikes equipped with Nuovo Record and the bars swapped out. I would guess that there are more high end bikes from the 1970s in Europe but that they are under-valued and many still haven't been unearthed. But I could be wrong.

As far as mass production goes, I imagine T-mar has hit the nail on the head.
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That's a well reasoned conjecture, T-Mar.
But that's all it is, conjecture, so take it with a grain of salt. It's also relevant only to lightweight models as opposed to middleweight city bicycles, which is a whole different market segment.
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Europe seemed to have forgotten bicycles as main means of transportation in the cities and went on to more scooters (Jillions of them!).......that's pretty all I saw out there with two wheels along with only a few folders and a grocery getter bikes of obscure brands and mostly low quality..... A few "full sized" motorcycles once in a while but they were mostly 400cc's and under in displacement. Everything was small simple and on the cheap side. Cars were also scaled down and there were also a lot of chintzy little older "toy" looking cars that even look smaller than "Smart" cars on the highways that I would not dare drive in the US. Taxis (Many hybrids like Prius's, but mostly deisels) close to outnumber private cars.
I guess as long as it works for transportation, that's what they will continue to use.
But dang, the people there drive so much better than us in the US, Much more "logical" driving and traffic that does not feel dangerous to be in at all, even though the pace was fast and the cars so much closer to each other...and the buildings...

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I spend a lot of time in belgium and holland and while there are a lot of c&v bikes there they are almost exclusively town bikes/"dutch" bikes. Most of the racers you see are being ridden by old guys that have obviously had them since they were bought new. Having said this, I have occasionally seen nice older bikes (not necessarily lightweight beauties) in markets in Brussels and Anderlecht for very reasonable prices. These, however, are almost certainly stolen.
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now these threads are what annoy me, the OP lights a fire and you never hear from him again.


I remember a thread from a large colored man who broke the chainstays on an aluminum frame and asked advise-never heard one reply from him after all out efforts.
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now these threads are what annoy me, the OP lights a fire and you never hear from him again.


I remember a thread from a large colored man who broke the chainstays on an aluminum frame and asked advise-never heard one reply from him after all out efforts.
I got an email from that guy requesting a price to replace the chain stays on his frame but nothing beyond that.
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Europe seemed to have forgotten bicycles as main means of transportation in the cities and went on to more scooters (Jillions of them!).......that's pretty all I saw out there with two wheels along with only a few folders and a grocery getter bikes of obscure brands and mostly low quality..... A few "full sized" motorcycles once in a while but they were mostly 400cc's and under in displacement. Everything was small simple and on the cheap side. Cars were also scaled down and there were also a lot of chintzy little older "toy" looking cars that even look smaller than "Smart" cars on the highways that I would not dare drive in the US. Taxis (Many hybrids like Prius's, but mostly deisels) close to outnumber private cars.
I guess as long as it works for transportation, that's what they will continue to use.
But dang, the people there drive so much better than us in the US, Much more "logical" driving and traffic that does not feel dangerous to be in at all, even though the pace was fast and the cars so much closer to each other...and the buildings...

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My only visit to Europe was last summer, when I went to London to watch my son compete at the Junior World Championships. Transportation was a revelation.

The vast majority of the population (probably around 80-85%) seem to use public transportation and I don't blaim them, as it's inexpensive, extensive and efficient. It's far better than any North American system I've experienced. Despite the extensive coverage and combination of subways, trains and buses, it was so simple that we grasped it's operation by the end of the first day and could navigate it comfortably on our own.

Road traffic was far lighter than any major North American city, probably because of the great public transportation. There were two aspects of the private vehicles that struck me and it was neither an abundance of small cars and/or scooters. First, I was amazed at the number of high end vehicles. I guess if you can afford to drive over there, you do it in luxury. Second, but more startling, was the scarcity of mini-vans in private use. I saw them in use for taxis and commerical vehicles but they definitely haven't made the impact with familes like they have in North America.

As for bicycles, I saw plenty but wasn't amazed at the numbers. They were primarily modern ATBs and hybrids used for commuting. Overall, I'd have to say the average level was higher than I see at home, with most being midrange models. Where I live, most bicycles are entry level, X-mart bicycles, ridden by children and those who can't afford to drive. The mid-range bicycles are mostly modern models ridden by Lance Armstrong wannabes, with more style than substance. I know most of the few locals with high end models and they're almost all modern era with carbon fibre frames. It seems the majority of local, high end C&V bicycles are located in my basement and garage.

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I am not sure about France but i talked to a few GIs that returned recently from being stationed in Vicenza Italy - They said about the same thing - The guys who ride regularly want to do it on the newer considered more competitive bicycles - Young guys in Italy have a style about them and with bikes its new and cutting edge that is considered best - But who knows what lingers in the bike parts piles and boxes - Especially considering the Campy factory right down the street...
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Originally Posted by puchfinnland View Post
now these threads are what annoy me, the OP lights a fire and you never hear from him again.


I remember a thread from a large colored man who broke the chainstays on an aluminum frame and asked advise-never heard one reply from him after all out efforts.
I'm still here, reading responses with interest. Except yours. Don't get your chamois in a twist.
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