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Old 10-21-12, 07:07 PM
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Huret dropouts derailleur options

Hi,

apologies if this is covered in a thread somewhere - have not been able to pull it up (not crazy about Bing being the default browser now on my iMac). I am rebuilding my 1973 Raleigh Competition and am interested in my derailleur options given the frame has a hanger on it for a Huret derailleur. Is there a simple way to give me a wider latitude on derailleur choices? I have had the stays widened to take a modern hub (before I had realized the derailleur might be an issue) in the hopes of going with an 8 or 9 speed in the rear.

Is this not as big a problem as it is seeming to me? thanks a bunch,

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Old 10-21-12, 07:55 PM
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A simple adapter can be made from a washer as shown here: https://bronzegears.blogspot.com/2008...rivetrain.html
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Old 10-21-12, 08:14 PM
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I myself have no issues with the period Hurets. I'd be inclined to keep the configuration a 2x10 with correct OEM derailleurs.
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Old 10-21-12, 08:50 PM
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A Huret Challenger should have enough throw to move across a 8-speed block. Mine handles 7 with room left over.
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The Huret stuff is pretty nice. I've never tried it with indexing but I've never cared for indexing. The adapter washers are nice and easily made. I bought one but now that I look at it, I should have just gotten out the hammer and grinder and gone for it.
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Old 10-22-12, 10:00 AM
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Thanks, are there any other makers that can be mounted on the Huret dropout? I thought Sun Tour but maybe I mis remembering something I read. If I want to go to indexing then I need to find (or make) an adapter is what it sounds like. Do people still sell these? I have not seen any come up in my searches. thanks again,

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Old 10-22-12, 10:47 AM
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This hanger would work as well: https://loosescrews.com/index.cgi?d=s...id=10992402792

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Old 10-22-12, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DCTrimble View Post
rebuilding my 1973 Raleigh Competition
The original Huret Jubillee is quite valuable and desirable. I'd stick with that and maybe a 6-speed freewheel. Plenty of gears with 6.

I'm using the same on a Motobecane Jubillee I'm currently working with. The Huret Jubillees represent a unique and brief period of bike history.

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A Shimano Crane or Campagnolo Rally will fit. They don't need a stop. Same with Simplex.
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Cool, that is good to hear, a Campagnola Rally? I will start poking around looking for one, I assume they are less pricey than a Huret Jubilee. The only Simplex I am familiar with are the black ones from the 70s that were on the Grand Prix and many other bikes in that range, any other models to look for? Thanks again,

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Any Simplex Super LJ, but they're pricey. I think the 6000 and 6500 are the best of them. I've had good luck with SX610s and have bought them for as little as $20. Campagnolo Rallys aren't cheap, but you could probably find one for less than a Jubilee.
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Originally Posted by Metacortex View Post
To me, a claw is a huge step backward from an integral hanger. Most integral hangers can be easily adapted to work w/ most derailleurs.
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Old 10-23-12, 02:16 AM
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Any decent welder/machinist should be able to TIG weld the hole, re-tap it and profile the dropout to fit modern derailleurs.
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Why weld and tap the hole?
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Originally Posted by Grand Bois View Post
Why weld and tap the hole?
Well, its the OP's bike, they can do what they want, but I've been messing with these bikes 40 years and I hate coming across frames someone thought they had to "improve". There's little reason in my opinion. If you need something "different" get a different frame. But that's just me.

Yeah, sounds like its a stop issue, not a hole issue. Use the original Huret derailler...
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Originally Posted by Grand Bois View Post
Any Simplex Super LJ, but they're pricey. I think the 6000 and 6500 are the best of them. I've had good luck with SX610s and have bought them for as little as $20. Campagnolo Rallys aren't cheap, but you could probably find one for less than a Jubilee.
Is the Rally mount really different than any other period Campagnolo? I guess I don't know, I seem to stick with Campagnolo dropouts...
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Is the Rally mount really different than any other period Campagnolo? I guess I don't know, I seem to stick with Campagnolo dropouts...
They're completely different from any other Campagnolo RD. They're designed it to work on all hangers. They don't need a stop. Simplex hangers just need to have a tap run through them. I have a Rally on my PX10.
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Why weld and tap the hole?
OK, they fit on anything..
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I have the same problem. I have a 73 Comp I bought new, have the Jubilee and TA drivetrain but frankly I need easier gearing. I have read that one might drill and tap the dropout for a small screw which would act as a derailleur stop. The screw could be removed and the dropout returned to Huret compatibility. Any reason this would not work? Would this be a cleaner solution than using a washer?
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I had the same idea, but I would use a set screw. I never tried it because I ended up converting to a 5 speed IGH.

It seems like a Shimano Crane or Campy Rally would be the best solution for you since you want easier gearing. They're not the best shifting derailers ever, but they're certainly no worse than your Jubilee.

Somebody recently posted that there is a version of the Suntour Vx that will work, but I've never seen one.

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Originally Posted by Grand Bois View Post
They're completely different from any other Campagnolo RD.
Interesting, I never realized they were different. Slightly different profile to the stop I'd say. This is the NR-type Rally. I'll have to check the other style Rally.
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I'm only talking about the 1st generation Rally. Sorry. The 2nd generation Rally in your picture obviously won't work. I've never seen a 3rd generation Rally.
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Can somebody please post a picture of the backside of a first generation Rally? I can tell that dbakl has no idea what I'm talking about and that's understandable if you've never had one in your hand. I used to post pictures with Webshots and they're dead now. I haven't had time to figure out another way.
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Can somebody please post a picture of the backside of a first generation Rally?
Let me dig mine out and I can do it!
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