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Old 11-01-12, 09:49 PM
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serotta or notta?

so this popped up on ebay and i watched it and watched the price go down from 200 down to 140 over a couple of weeks so i jumped on it

there is 2 ebay ads one with a broken derailleur hanger and one with it intact also one states it is reynolds while the other says it is columbus..... consistency is a great thing
https://www.ebay.com/itm/150919883895...84.m1438.l2649
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SEROTTA-ROAD...-/150757394484


there seems to be very little info on early serottas and i have some serious doubts but it looks like its a decent frame but i dont know if its serotta nice and i figure i can recoup most of the cost from selling the components

so i was wondering if any one has any info on early serottas or any good guess as to what it might be or if any one has an idea what that rear drop out says ID LOVE TO KNOW








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Old 11-01-12, 09:49 PM
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Old 11-01-12, 10:12 PM
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By no means an expert, but the serial number does not look like a Serotta number.
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Old 11-01-12, 10:44 PM
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Components are meh. Frame looks to be in rough shape, and I am suspect about its origin as well. By the time it is shipped to you, you are going to have $200 in what? At best, an early Serotta in too rough a shape to ever be worth much that needs a complete rehab, and at worst, a broken pile of junk. Over-under for me on that bike is $50 if I had it onme , nothing else to do with it, I felt sorry for the seller, on a whim.

Not worth it IMHO.
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Old 11-01-12, 11:38 PM
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well in the pictures for the newest ebay posting, its not just the derailure hanger thats broken off, but also the rear drops. why would you drop $200 on a completly unrideable bike? thats crazy.


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Components are meh.
cyclone was top of the line that year in suntour's hierarchy if im not mistaken. not sure of their value but i do know those mark 1s were very well regarded
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Old 11-01-12, 11:54 PM
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cyclone was top of the line that year in suntour's hierarchy if im not mistaken. not sure of their value but i do know those mark 1s were very well regarded
Yes, they were/are very good indeed. I might even say they may have been the 2nd-best Suntour ever made...by the millions. As such, they are nice, but they are relatively inexpensive. Same for the Sugino cranks. They only thing which caught my eye are the rims (I assume the hubs are decent) IF sew-ups are your style. I still say it is worth $50 in parts, and that is about it.
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Old 11-02-12, 12:00 AM
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I believe that DO is labeled "Milremo" the housebrand for Ron Kitching (RonKit) and I have a vague recollection that these were made by Vitus. In any case it will be hard to find a match, if you want to fix this you might try TiG welding the old DO before you give up and braze in a replacement (and I'd just find another brand of long forged DO).
I'm doubting the whole "rare old Ben Serotta frame" tale, but I've never seen any of his earliest work, so maybe I'm just a doubter...the frame strikes me as something from a Brit builder, and fine enough work but nothing stellar.
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Old 11-02-12, 01:14 AM
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Old 11-02-12, 01:26 AM
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+1, HIGHLY doubt that's a "rare early" Serotta.
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Old 11-02-12, 07:35 AM
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I'm getting a Motobecane vibe from this.....
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Old 11-02-12, 10:19 AM
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I'm getting a Motobecane vibe from this.....
Something like that, but if it's any French brand from that era it would have metric tubes and appropriate seat post (measure and report back).
I think the Milremo brand is more likely to show up on a British-built bike, if it was made in France those DOs would probably have the original brand on them, (which I still think was Vitus, but not 100% certain) I'm 99% certain they were from a FR manufacturer, though.

There's only one pic of Ben Serotta's early frames I could find on the Internets, and it's a 1974 that appears to be on display at his factory in Saratoga, NY...hard to read details (it's a small pic) but doesn't appear much in common with this frame.

You could contact Serotta and ask...I would.
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yeah i was considering contacting them with the serial number and maybe some clearer pictures of some of the details but ive got to wait for it to arrive

and thank you unworthy1 for clearing up the milremo thing i thought that was a G at the beginning not an M

parts looked decent to me by no means campy but tubular fiamme wheels with dura ace hubs, DA first gen dt shifters, universal model 68 calipers with hopefully levers to match,first gen suntour cyclone RD, cinelli bars and stem, neat-o sugino cranks with a 58t ring
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Old 11-02-12, 11:10 AM
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also this just popped up on ebay
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=121009598076

same fork crown and some of the same components (reaching i know)
but i emailed the seller and told him my story and asked what his serial number was
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go to the serotta forum
and if you find a huffy with an aluminium fork snap that up
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Originally Posted by unworthy1 View Post

There's only one pic of Ben Serotta's early frames I could find on the Internets, and it's a 1974 that appears to be on display at his factory in Saratoga, NY...hard to read details (it's a small pic) but doesn't appear much in common with this frame.
Here's another pic. The headtube decal seems similar, but hard to see any other details....

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Originally Posted by kc0yef View Post
go to the serotta forum
and if you find a huffy with an aluminium fork snap that up
The Serotta forum is now the paceline forum. There are folks from Serotta there, and IME you have a better chance of getting answers on the forum than from an email query.
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Hey I was watching this too! Seriously though about trying to get someone to facilitate for me , I figured even if the frame wasn't Serotta / couldn't be cheaply repaired the components / wheels were worth it.
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Originally Posted by 10speedterror View Post
same fork crown and some of the same components (reaching i know)
The fork crown is a standard one used in the 70s. I have a Motobecane Grand Jubilee and Raleigh Competition. Both have that fork crown, but neither have the same lugs as each other or as the bike the OP posted.

As for the components, well, they could mean anything on a bike from the 70s.
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Interesting to compare this '78 and the one thinktubes has posted to your red frame: both the "known" Serottas have different lugs and stay caps, the '78 has long Campy 1010A dropouts, appears a different BB shell, different cable stop on chainstay and the green/blue one clearly has 531 decals. All share the same Vagner crown (but so do thousands of other bikes).
Hard to know if the '78 is a direct apples-to-apples comparison but I'd say the only thing in common is the forkcrown...
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since when do palmettos grow in New hampshire?
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I have an early Serotta. Bought it in 1979, brand new, built by Ben hizownself. It is beautifully finished: thinned short point lugs, concave seat stay caps, brazed-on cable guides, perfect brazing, etc., etc. The man was a superb craftsman from the day he started building under his own name (and undoubtedly much earlier).

The one shown here isn't an early Serotta. No way, no how. It is a production frame with no particular charm. That said, $140 isn't a disaster: the parts should be worth that much.

Regarding differences in early Serottas, I'm pretty sure Ben would use different lugs depending on what the customer wanted, what was on hand or available, or even his mood. This is still the case with most frame builders. Mine (my wife's actually) has short point lugs because it is a small frame and they seemed appropriately simple and delicate.
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Originally Posted by puchfinnland View Post
since when do palmettos grow in New hampshire?
The ebay seller was in Land O Lakes Florida. Those photos are from the ebay sale.
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.... All share the same Vagner crown (but so do thousands of other bikes)...
Thanks! I didn't know what that fork crown was called.
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im still wondering why anyone would care what make/model this bike is when the drop out is clearly broken off. the bike is never going to ride again. even if you some how found a way to weld it back on, its never gonna be safe
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