Best ever rear derailleur
11-06-12, 01:38 PM
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Not the best, perhaps, but the purtiest, bar none;
I'll have to go with the Cyclone or Vx too, though it's been ages since I've ridden one.
I'll have to go with the Cyclone or Vx too, though it's been ages since I've ridden one.
11-06-12, 01:38 PM
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11-06-12, 01:45 PM
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Friction:
Index:
I still have a soft spot in my heart for Nuovo Record. Ride it enough and you learn to work around the shortcomings, which aren't that big a deal in the first place, Berto's opinions to the contrary notwithstanding.
Index:
I still have a soft spot in my heart for Nuovo Record. Ride it enough and you learn to work around the shortcomings, which aren't that big a deal in the first place, Berto's opinions to the contrary notwithstanding.
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11-06-12, 02:08 PM
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By the mid 80's Shimano had perfected the rear derailleur. The first generation of Shimano 600 indexed derailleurs were as good as it gets, and didn't suffer from the compatability problems of the early Dura-Ace units. I can't see any substantive improvement in derailleur-based shifting since then.
Now to expand the debate....
As far as the best shifting performance, everything I've ever used pales next to my Alfine 8-speed internal hub. I have used pretty much every variety of derailleur-based system going back to the early 70s, right up to current STI and Ergopower systems. But the Alfine shifts correctly every time. There is no hesitation, no mis-shifts, no noise, no in-between gears, no clattering or complaining. The shifting is utterly reliable, quiet and fast. Plus the hub has a silent clutch, and it is quiet while coasting, and it engages the chain the instant you apply power.
Now to expand the debate....
As far as the best shifting performance, everything I've ever used pales next to my Alfine 8-speed internal hub. I have used pretty much every variety of derailleur-based system going back to the early 70s, right up to current STI and Ergopower systems. But the Alfine shifts correctly every time. There is no hesitation, no mis-shifts, no noise, no in-between gears, no clattering or complaining. The shifting is utterly reliable, quiet and fast. Plus the hub has a silent clutch, and it is quiet while coasting, and it engages the chain the instant you apply power.
Will agree that the indexed Shimano 600 / 600 tri-colour is some of the best kit ever made and the only modern stuff that has impressed me for it's function is the Shimano DI2 electronic system as it is smooth beyond belief and self trimming.
11-06-12, 03:26 PM
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I vote for the '97-'98 Deore XT M-738/739 rear derailleur:
Four different cage lengths (although the SS is a rare beast), works with everything from friction to 8 speed, and damned near indestructible.
Anytime I come across these I try to snatch them up.
A close second would be the '97 STX-RC R. DR... same body profile as the XT, but with a steel cage.
Hope everyone here in the States voted today... exercise your right!
Four different cage lengths (although the SS is a rare beast), works with everything from friction to 8 speed, and damned near indestructible.
Anytime I come across these I try to snatch them up.
A close second would be the '97 STX-RC R. DR... same body profile as the XT, but with a steel cage.
Hope everyone here in the States voted today... exercise your right!
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11-06-12, 03:43 PM
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11-06-12, 03:52 PM
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11-06-12, 04:22 PM
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There are many derailleurs I have yet to experience, but my favorite RD is the 1st generation Campagnolo Chorus (mated to Simplex Retrofriction, of course). Elegant design we have all come to expect from Campagnolo, along with excellent performance (this was Campagnolo's first slant parallelogram design). I never miss a shift. I also love that, with the B-adjustment screw, the Chorus RD provides a generous 32t cog limit (in the "B" position).
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11-06-12, 05:18 PM
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My faves: Superbe Pro and 600 tricolor. Awfully dang hard to beat either one with the right block in back.
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For performance just about any old sunTour unit, and if we can have a beauty contest the 1st gen Cyclone had to be the best looking derailleur ever made, that one above being an example!
11-06-12, 06:09 PM
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There are many derailleurs I have yet to experience, but my favorite RD is the 1st generation Campagnolo Chorus (mated to Simplex Retrofriction, of course). Elegant design we have all come to expect from Campagnolo, along with excellent performance (this was Campagnolo's first slant parallelogram design). I never miss a shift. I also love that, with the B-adjustment screw, the Chorus RD provides a generous 32t cog limit (in the "B" position).
11-06-12, 06:17 PM
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The Jubilee is a stunning piece of work albeit a somewhat fragile one... the matching front derailleur is also quite exquisite but like it's counterpart makes the Campy NR look like a rock crusher.
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65er, it's rare that I disagree with you, but I've seen a few Cyclones fail.
The Nuovo Record and the Allvit tie for first place in crashworthiness.
The Jubilee is novel and elegant, but does not win 1st in aesthetics. For me, it's the Nuovo Record. It's even beautiful to touch those smooth, slippery hearts.
For performance and reliability (we're talking friction, right?) it might be the Suntour VX, but I'm not sure.
For ability to shift under load, it's the Nuovo Record again.
For accurate shifts, well, I am open-minded. I don't really know.
The Nuovo Record and the Allvit tie for first place in crashworthiness.
The Jubilee is novel and elegant, but does not win 1st in aesthetics. For me, it's the Nuovo Record. It's even beautiful to touch those smooth, slippery hearts.
For performance and reliability (we're talking friction, right?) it might be the Suntour VX, but I'm not sure.
For ability to shift under load, it's the Nuovo Record again.
For accurate shifts, well, I am open-minded. I don't really know.
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11-06-12, 06:21 PM
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11-06-12, 06:24 PM
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I'd agree on the Gran Turismo... the one on my Sports Tourer shifted like crap, though since it was my 1st 10 speed, I wasn't aware of it at the time.
I like my Campy SR with bullseye pulleys, but have never used Suntour yet. I did buy a pair of Cyclone MKII fr/rear, so will get around to trying them soon.
I'd agree on the Gran Turismo... the one on my Sports Tourer shifted like crap, though since it was my 1st 10 speed, I wasn't aware of it at the time.
I like my Campy SR with bullseye pulleys, but have never used Suntour yet. I did buy a pair of Cyclone MKII fr/rear, so will get around to trying them soon.
11-06-12, 06:35 PM
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Huret Jubilee
Rino CNC'd derailleur
Super Record, with ball bearing Pulleys
Nuovo Record
Cambio Corsa
Rino CNC'd derailleur
Super Record, with ball bearing Pulleys
Nuovo Record
Cambio Corsa