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Top or Flop? just won a colnago on ebay

Old 11-13-12, 03:42 PM
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Top or Flop? just won a colnago on ebay

Hi,
i just checked on the belgian ebay and found this colnago frame.

https://www.ebay.de/itm/181016409529?...ht_2059wt_1140

The title says 80`s colnago super mexico.

What do you think where to date the frame, fork and was it a good deal or bad?

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There also appears to be 1 holes on the side of the fork crown on each side if I am not mistaking. I am not sure however...
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i'd say you overpaid quite a bit. it's been repainted, has no logos, and no wheels. i can't tell what parts are on it from the pics, which is not good.

sorry for the bad news. i would have paid no more than $400-500 for that bike.
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auction was only or fork, frame, headset and bb
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Old 11-13-12, 04:27 PM
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I'd say pre-80 but those bikes had 2 TT cable guides not internal routing.
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Price is about $425 USD. I'd say not terrible, especially if it is to be a rider for you when built up. It is a little rough and has mods. I can't place the fork, but the rest looks to be mid/late 70's. Could be slightly earlier...I can't check much photo reference from work though

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My guess is that the fork is of Track Bike design, round rather than oval. Does that sound right? I had a similar set-up on my Miele #17. That bike featured Columbus SL tubing throughout, except for the down tube, which was SP. The bicycle was built for training and intended to be more rugged than the average Miele. Perhaps this is something similar for the Colnago? Anyway, just a thought.
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I have seen similar forks also only on track bikes from colnago. But they always have a C around the club. This one has a circle around.
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Old 11-13-12, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by randyjawa View Post
My guess is that the fork is of Track Bike design, round rather than oval. Does that sound right? I had a similar set-up on my Miele #17. That bike featured Columbus SL tubing throughout, except for the down tube, which was SP. The bicycle was built for training and intended to be more rugged than the average Miele. Perhaps this is something similar for the Colnago? Anyway, just a thought.
The fork I do not think is from Colnago. Note the shape of the stem, no points, like it could have been done with an end mill.
The frame I am suspect about, while it has clovers in the three primary lugs... Colnago stopped doing that by 1972. This frame is much later.
The seat stays are not typical Colnago.
I think the bottom bracket cutout matched the fork crown decoration before someone took a file to it.
Colnago's BB cutouts did vary over time, but this one just looks "off"
At least to my eyes anyway, that is what I see.
There was a brand that did used a four "petal" cutout from I think Germany that from time to time after a respray gets attributed to Colnago, but this is not it either.
On that the fork crown incising has four rounded petals.

A "scenic" Colnago, it could play one on film.

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Review this:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/union-c...in/photostream


wade through the images, look at the seat stay top caps and compare to they ebay auction bike, while not all of the details are the same, there is much there to compare favorably, the flikr bike I reverenced is not a Colnago, but a "tribute" to put it benignly.
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Old 11-13-12, 05:55 PM
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I know absolutely nothing about Colnago bikes , but to my untrained eye the clover cut out on the bottom bracket isn't symetrical.
It looks to me like someone has cut it out themselves.
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Unfortunately, it is a flop; that's not a genuine Colnago frameset. See this auction:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-COLNAGO...vip=true&rt=nc

Likely a Cornelo or another obscure Belgian frame. Note the difference in the clover pantos on the fork crown vice the three genuine articles below:

Early/mid-70's:



Mid/late-70's:



Early 80's:



Another couple of points to make: if this was indeed an early-70's Colnago, the rear dropouts would be the early, long Campagnolo 1010a versions. These are the later 1010b versions - started around 1976 or so. The three clover cutouts in the lugs would've been long gone by then. And the clover cutout? Not even close; see below.

Early/late-70's:



Late-70's/early-80's:



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Oolong...I like those pictures of the differences.
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that's not a Colnago...but it might turn out to be a decent bike, even if a fake. The BB shell might be welded, seems to have a seam.
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Originally Posted by unworthy1 View Post
that's not a Colnago...but it might turn out to be a decent bike, even if a fake.
Well, I'm not saying the frame isn't a decent one, but it was represented as a high-end Colnago - which it certainly is not. The seller misrepresented it, whether intentionally or not. IMHO, the OP should ask for his considerable investment back.

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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude View Post
IMHO, the OP should ask for his considerable investment back.
+1

Would definitely qualify as "item not as described" Seller seems marginal, resorting to keyword packing in the title "Colonago, not Merckx".

I would be seeking some satisfaction...
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I guess the seller should have stated in the description that it is an imitation like this one?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-coln...item3ccc4dbc14

I have asked him to cancel the transaction right away. Thank you for the important information. I did not know that there were actually Colnago imitations on the marked.
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Originally Posted by maym036 View Post
I guess the seller should have stated in the description that it is an imitation like this one?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-coln...item3ccc4dbc14

I have asked him to cancel the transaction right away. Thank you for the important information. I did not know that there were actually Colnago imitations on the marked.
Between that one and the one I referenced, you can begin to see the "looks like" units out there.
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