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Build advice for first time builder (TREK 560 Pro series)

Old 11-21-12, 11:24 AM
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Build advice for first time builder (TREK 560 Pro series)

Hi Everyone,

I've been reading the C&V forum for quite some time trying to learn what I could while I waited to find what I hope is a reasonable deal on CL. Last night I purchased a Trek 560 Pro Series. It looks to be in good condition. I plan on keeping it/riding it, not reselling it. The first 2 things I'd like to do is just get it in safe ride-able condition, and get some recommendations from the group here about what would be reasonable to do with this bike.


I think it is a 1986 model although the serial number which I looked up on Vintage-trek says its 1985. I think it's an 1986 because when I look at the Trek brochures for 1985 (also found on Vintage-Trek) I don't see a 560 in the Red/Yellow color or with the Shimano 600 components. I see what looks to be an exact match for 1986, which is in Red/Yellow, Shimano 600, although the brochure states N-600, while the components on the bike just read Shimano 600. The bike has Shimano 600 components for the RD (SIS), FD, crankset (Bio-pace 42t/52t), brakes, brake levers. The bike also matches the 1986 brochure for the Seat (San Marco Aero Suede which is a little dried out but no rips/tears), Headset (Hatta Vesta), Main tubes (Reynolds 531), Rims (Matrix Titan Hard Anodized 700c) and Tires (Specialized 700x 20c, although I think the ties are actually 23c, maybe 25c, it's very hard to read).

BUT, the Serial Number is 217829, which is from 1985. Maybe somebody can help me with determining what I have here.

I know I need to replace the tubes/tires as they are dried out and threads are coming off in places. The brake pads are also hard as a rock so I will replace them.

When I try and spin the cranks backwards, they are hard to move. The RD kind of flips upwards and the chain does not move thru the RD very well. The bike appears to have been sitting around for quite some time so maybe the components just need to be lubricated. I don't see any obvious damage.

I'm fairly mechanical but not much experience working on bikes except for 30 or so years ago when I was a teenager.

I'd like to get some advice on what things should be done, and some advice on how to do it right. I don't want to end up in C&V hell (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...26amp%3BV+hell). Just out of curiosity, is there any way out of C&V hell if I somehow land there? Or is it eternal?

I haven't been able to upload images but I put them here http://sdrv.ms/UWB64h so I hope you can see them. I'll try adding the images in this thread again and see if I can get it to work.

Thanks for all your help.
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Old 11-21-12, 12:03 PM
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Clean and lube
Bottom Bracket, wheel bearings, headset, chain (check for wear first, if beyond wear limits..just replace )

Check cables, lube if OK, replace if toasty
Sheldon Brown has great primers on all these processes
OLD grease does NOT lubricate well, and with the local sand a NASTY abrasive, get all bearings checked before doing any riding, no need to do further damage.

Welcome to CV....hope to see you out on the Pinellas Trail soon!

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Old 11-21-12, 12:19 PM
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+10 You got yourself a sweet one!

Is your serial # late in the year? Serial number just means when the frame was built. All your Shimano components have date codes, as will the stem, seat post, brake calipers, cranks, and more. Catalogs get stale quick, as they are printed well in advance of actual production. Many of the bikes I own do not show up in the manufacturer's catalog at all.

On any bike that has been sitting around, in my experience, all the bearings should be serviced/replaced with new grease of course. Loose bearings cost about 2 cents each (in bulk, maybe 5 to 10 cents each at your LBS), so reusing 25 year old bearings is a non starter for me.

Chain and freewheel should be cleaned and lubed, derailleurs cleaned and lubed, new tires, cables and housings.

While this sounds like an exhaustive list, to a resourceful and handy person, its four hours work. Will need some bike specific tools, or find a co-op and borrow all of their stuff.

I personally do not put a lot of work into old chains, as I buy 6 speed chain for under $5. Measure your chain for stretch (see Sheldon Brown site).

Old grease, bearings, and cables do not get better with age, and in the case of bearings, can lead to more expensive damage. I really don't get the reluctance some have of putting 22 cents of new bearings, and a fraction of a cent grease, into an old bottom bracket, ditto wheel hubs. At a bare minimum, I am opening up these areas to inspect them, and once open, new bearings and grease go back in. 90%+ of the hubs and bb cups, cones and spindles are OK. Less than 5% of the grease and bearings are OK.

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Hello from another Tampa Bay rider!

Also, the problem you describe about pedaling backwards is likely the derailleur pulleys. Remove, clean, oil, and reinstall!

I'm not sure... but the date from the serial number MIGHT be the build date, which is different than the model year. (I thought I had an '85 Raleigh, turns out it was an '86 built in late '85)
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I just checked out your photos... you are far from C&V Hell... you've got a good solid start, from the looks of it. Since I'm local, feel free to give me a shout if you ever think you're getting in over your head!
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Dam, that's a sweet looking bike!! It seems I am really into bikes that are in the 85 to 89 years!!

I saw this Trek 560 on my local craigslist, and most likely I could have got it for $125 or $150, but it wasn't my size!!!

http://baltimore.craigslist.org/bik/3422373431.html

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I have an '87, I like it very much indeed. I just wish I could put fenders and tires bigger than 28s on it.
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Old 11-21-12, 01:51 PM
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Thanks everyone for all the quick replies and for posting the picture so everyone could see it easier Colonel (or Mr. Hughes?) You will see me on the Pinellas Trail. I ride part of each almost every week. I have a Specialized MB that's a few years old which I ride all the time. But I figured if I was riding 20 miles or so at a time I may as well get a road bike. To WRK101: The serial number for 1985 ranges from 167779 to 224106, so 217829 is a lot closer to the end of the year, but if I look at the bike size and model the S/N range is model 560 24 inch SN 217822 to 217921 for 1985 which means my SN is closer to the beginning. I love the Sheldon Brown website! His chain 'cleaning kit/advice' is hilarious. I hope to get the new tubes/tires on tonight and then hopefully start the cleaning and lubing in the next few days as you've all suggested. I'll post pictures as the changes occur. Thanks all.
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The good news is that even if your bike is a 1985, it was built to the 1986 specs, which are significantly better. As I probably mentioned, catalogs get stale very quickly, so Trek may have decided to upgrade the model during actual production.
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All good advice above, but I almost always just go ahead and replace the chain if a keeper (probably the biggest performance increase on an old bike, may fix your RD issue). The bike is nicely equipped. Buy some decent tires, and you'll be happy with it. Lube the jockey wheels on the RD. Consider upgrading to a sealed bottom bracket. It's a winner, and a nice ride.
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In addition to what others have said, I'd probably take the chrome bits off and put them in an OA bath over night.

I think your brake levers are model 6209. Hoods for these are really difficult to find.

I'd also rotate the handlebars so that the ends point somewhere between the seat post binder bolt and the rear axle depending on what is most comfortable for you when you're in the drops. As they are now, they point upward, and that doesn't work for me.
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Hoods are hard to find? that's too bad. You can't tell by the photo but the hoods really aren't black. The hoods are covered in black electrical tape that has gone bad. Its all gummy so I know I have to replace those. I better start looking now, after I confirm the model number. Thanks.
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Beautiful bike! Welcome to the forums and Happy Thanksgiving from Bradenton. Wish I had my bike with me-the weather is gorgeous and Anna Maria island is calling my name........
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I tried to post to this a few times the other day but for some reason IE would not let me post. This "as is" is a fabulous looking bike. I love this style of frame and it is high on must have list.

Personally other than a good overhaul w/ wax on the frame, some yellow Jagwire cable, tape, Pasela tires and the early C-Rec CampI lever I love I would not change a thing.

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