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1949 Condor A3 Roadster

Old 11-24-12, 02:37 PM
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1949 Condor A3 Roadster

Here are some pictures of my 1949 Condor A3 Roadster, I was wondering what you guys think I should do with it? The rear hub has to be replaced because the indictor chain is broken and I cannot find a replacement. I was thinking about repainting it a different color because the frame is all rusted.
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Old 11-24-12, 02:39 PM
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I know squat about IGH, but I will bet that the chain can be repaired, if not replaced. As for paint....I would get some Barkeepers and a piece of old towel and rub it down. Go slow and be careful around the decals. Clean up everthing and lube the moving bits, etc. - But I would not strip it or paint it.

Let those in the know weigh in on this before you do anything radical !

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Um...I think the Hub can be repaired, is it a Sturmey Archer? I'd try an OA bath before committting to a repaint, the original paint looks mostly intact and will probably clean up well giving the bike a nice patina.
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Thank you for the advice, I want to get the bike in good working order for daily use but I also want to maintain its originality if I can.
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Old 11-24-12, 02:53 PM
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Do you think soldering the broken indictor chain would work and what does "OA bath" mean?
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Old 11-24-12, 03:02 PM
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And yes it is a Sturmey Archer with a drum brake.
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Oa is oxalic acid. You can soak the frame and steel parts in a solution of it and it will remove all of the rust.
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I was thinking about adding a sturmey archer 5 speed rear hub and a sturmey archer front hub like this bike on the Pashley website, what do you guys think?
http://www.pashley.co.uk/products/roadster-26.html
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Ok thank you for letting me know what "OA" is, but will it remove the original paint and decals? Also where can I find it?
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You should be able to get that chain at most any older bike shop. Online stores have them as well as lots on ebay. I am not familiar to know whether there are different ones but if you find the date code on the hub, one of the SA guys can help you out.

What is this frame built from? Unless it is a ChroMoly frame it may not be worth a paint job or do intend to pait it yourself? I think by the time you get done buying wheels, 5spd IGH rear and Dynamo front you might be bettr off getting a different bike.





This looks like it has a dynamo front hub.

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Ok thank you for letting me know what "OA" is, but will it remove the original paint and decals? Also where can I find it?
Do a search here on the forums. There are about a million threads about using this stuff with advice on formulations, kids swimming pools for dunking, where to get it, etc. Read up first, but it's clearly the best option for you. Also, post a thread and you'll have advice coming at ya from a thousand different people. You are in the right place for these questions! (And PLEASE don't paint it!)
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Ok thank you for letting me know what "OA" is, but will it remove the original paint and decals? Also where can I find it?
OA is the best way I know to remove rust - and it will not attack paint or decals. However, it will do a number on zinc plated or aluminum alloy parts.
You can buy it at your local Sherwin Williams store under the name "wood bleach" .

Indicator spindles are available from Harris Cyclery - along with a bunch of other SA spares. As I recall though, the spindles came in 3 different lengths. Call first to see if they have what you need. If not, you can probably find one on eBay or at one of the long-established shops in your area.
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Definately keep all the original parts on one that old by whatever means you can. I have had success repairing those little chains, but they are also easy to replace and not too hard to come by, even if you have to order one online. It looks like a good solid old bike as it is, a little time and elbow grease should bring it right back.
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Thanks for your help everyone! I have been checking around for the indicator chain and no one that I have talked to have even seen one as thin as the one on mine.
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Can you post info about the hub....any code or writing you see on it ? Also, how about detailed measurement of the chain....width, length, links, etc.


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Here are some pictures of the indictor chain.
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The measurements are in thousands of an inch, .078 long stem, .114 short stem, overall 5.55

The hub itself does not have any stamping or descriptions on it.

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Is it really a Sturmey hub?
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The drum brake pads are worn out do any of you know where I could find replacements?
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Yes I think so because in 1949 Sturmey Archer and Sachs were the main internal hub makers and most european bike during that time had sturmey archer hubs.
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Its hard to see from your photos, but from the looks of it there's a link with a bent out side piece? I have successfully repaired two chains with the same problem, if you can carefully bend the side piece over the pin and then snap it back into place you can gently re-peen the pin. It can be done with pliers or, if you have to, with vice grips. Assuming it isn't too bad to start with. Afterwards work it back and forth with oil til it moves easily. It's not a sure thing, but it might be worth a shot if it's otherwise unusable.
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Judging from what I see of your indicator chain I wonder if you have an FB hub, four speed with brake, which would be interesting. That hub, introduced in 1949, uses a two-piece indicator, which can be hard to find, and can be a little pricey on ebay, but they do exist. I may even have one in my parts bin. If you're really lucky yours is not actually broken, but just got unscrewed. Does the part you have screw into the hub? If so, you have the three speed hub; if you can't screw it in, you may have the four speed hub; in which case, see if you can pull the other end of it out the left side of the hub.



If your indicator is broken, and you can't get a replacement, you may have the option of converting the hub to five speeds, which is actually a pretty snazzy thing to do. You would need a second shifter, though.

What town are you in?

I'm not at all convinced you need to go full oxalic acid on this. It will take off rust, but it can also do strange things to paint. Rubbing the whole frame with oil will work wonders!

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Old 11-24-12, 09:22 PM
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I am located in Yardley Pennsylvania outside of Philadelphia. I tried rubbing oil on the frame with old roads special oil and it does not seam to be getting rid of the rust that is why I am leaning to go with the oxalic acid bath to get rid of the rust. If I am going to go with a five speed hub with drum brakes do you think I should go with a new or vintage one if available?
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These guys have most anything for old Sturmey Archer hubs;
http://www.oldbiketrader.co.uk/
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