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L'Eroica in the USA?

I'm sure this has been brought up before, but is there a vintage ride in the US; if not do you think the interest is there to plan one?

For those of you that don't know, the L'Eroica is a ride for Vintage bikes made before 1987 (with the exception of modern frame built up as a vintage ride). The penalty for violating the rules is explained below.

By 'bikes for the Eroica' we mean all the road race bikes built before 1987, with downtube shift levers, pedal cages and toe straps, brake cables routed outside the frame tubes. Bikes with more recent built frames can be used, but features like handlebars, shifters, pedals, etc. must be vintage.
The organizers may concede exception for other types of bikes, if requested, for physical/sensory disabled participants.
For the 38Km ride, other vintage bike types are allowed, such as work bikes, postman bikes, leisure bikes, with the exclusion of mountain bikes.
It is expressely forbidden to take part in the event using bikes that do not possess the above requirements.



E’ fatto espresso divieto di partecipare alla manifestazione con biciclette che non possiedano i suddetti requisiti.Ogni tentativo di farlo a mangiare un piatto di grandi dimensioni di 3 settimane la polenta e in genere di divertimento, soprattutto se egli straniero.

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Sure there is interest,
if I had the means I would do it on skyline drive,blueridgeparkway.
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Cino Heroica in Montana.

http://www.cinorider.com/
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Originally Posted by cb400bill View Post
Cino Heroica in Montana.

http://www.cinorider.com/
I would like to do that ride. I just have to be upwind from the guys who break out the cigars afterward.

I think there is room to do another though, If I thought of a local venue it would probably include the dirt stretch of Mulholland Drive in the Santa Monica Mountains, but not the climbing of what Italy has overall.
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Cino Heroica in Montana.

http://www.cinorider.com/
I would love to do that ride, but it's back to work time for me in September.

I'll teach math in a middle school for a few more years, but that ride would make a whale of a retirement present.
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Originally Posted by cb400bill View Post
Cino Heroica in Montana.

http://www.cinorider.com/
Planning on doing this one with Northbend this year. He's done it the past two and talked me into it. Gotta say I'm really looking forward to it.

I also grew up in a rural area of SE Washington with a lot of gravel and dirt roads going up and around wheat fields (and hills). I put together a course that I'll be trying this summer as a prelude to the Cino. Northbend is going to join me. I'll need to mess around to add additional distance - right now it's around just under 49 miles.

Here's a link to the route on Mapmyride. You are suppsed to be able to click on the Larger Version link on the right hand side under Map Info and it should load up a Google Earth video of the course. Would love to make this an informal, annual C&V type ride.
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Why have one when you can have three.


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Why have one when you can have three.


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Did you get your registration email?

I think we are doing all three this year.
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I would like to do one in mid-atlantic region. I'd offer to organize it myself but I don't think there's enough decent unpaved roads in NJ (unless you like the sand of the pinelands) but I suspect there are places not too far away in Pennsylvania where one could make this happen. People talk about a place called "upstate New York" that sounds like it might have potential, but I've never really figured out where that is. Nowhere near "western New York" which, come to think of it, is a very pretty place that might have some potential.

The one in Montana looks totally cool. I'd love to do it. But getting to Montana is like a two day drive. And I don't drive if I can help it.
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Originally Posted by gomango View Post
Did you get your registration email?

I think we are doing all three this year.
yup.

They don't list a price for the three. That's somewhat annoying.

Maybe in 2014 I'd do it for L'eroica training. I'm toying around with the idea to do it on Bartali's 100th birthday. I'm only going to do it once and that would be about the best timing I can think of.
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And for those interested, there are a bunch of vintage rides in Italy.



http://www.giroditaliadepoca.eu/
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There's definitely interest in L'Eroica-like rides here, and good thing, too -- the real thing fills up so fast, and I won't be able to go for a while.
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My question, then, would be this.

What is the best way to organize something like this: vintage enthusiasts who meet to discuss the equipment (that's us)? Randonneuring clubs who have experience organizing rides? Cycling clubs? I'm not a member of any club. There are a lot in my area, but all their rides, as far as I can figure it, involve driving a car to the start point. Which makes it a nonstarter for me.
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I don't know why the rules excludes the use of clipless pedals on the eroica bike as clipless Look pedals were available to the cycling public before the 1987 cut-off qualifying year. I would think the circa 85 PP76 Look clipless pedals are definitely period appropriate for my 1984 Peugeot PSV......

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Sounds like the Cino allows them - from their website:

"We encourage participants to ride Heroic bikes. Riders that complete the course on a Heroic bike will get a Cino Heroica patch that designates Heroic status. Others will get a patch without.
What is a Heroic bike? Your bike must have at least three of the following characteristics to be considered Heroic:
  • Steel frame
  • A frame made in 1987 or earlier
  • Non-indexed shifting
  • Old style clip pedals and straps
  • Single speed
  • Downtube shift levers
  • Tubular tires
Older steel framed racing bikes with European pedigrees encouraged. Cloth handlebar tape, Campy Record, non-anodized polished aluminum parts, leather saddles, tubular tires, frame pumps, handlebar mounted waterbottles are all coveted...."

"... Some comfort- oriented individuals may tend toward mountain bikes, spandex, and clipless pedals, and that’s perfectly OK. We ask that the Heros refrain from making comments."
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I don't know why the rules excludes the use of clipless pedals on the eroica bike as clipless Look pedals were available to the cycling public before the 1987 cut-off qualifying year. I would think the circa 85 PP76 Look clipless pedals are definitely period appropriate for my 1984 Peugeot PSV......

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As I understand it, they want to evoke the spirit (and challenges) of 1930s/40s/50s bike racing, but without requiring a bike quite that old. Technologies overlap so much that it's hard to make rules that will please everyone -- they probably should have used a cut-off year OR specific prohibitions without trying to combine the two.

If it helps, I hear that the rules are sometimes bent for L'Eroica if the overall spirit is preserved.
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yup.

They don't list a price for the three. That's somewhat annoying. $265 for all three, and that includes the jersey (if you complete the 150K on each one). That was my take, anyway.

Maybe in 2014 I'd do it for L'eroica training. I'm toying around with the idea to do it on Bartali's 100th birthday. I'm only going to do it once and that would be about the best timing I can think of.
I got my registration email, and the Dairlyand Roubaix is in the spring, a lot of it on gravel, with no SAG or support of any kind.
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I got my registration email, and the Dairlyand Roubaix is in the spring, a lot of it on gravel, with no SAG or support of any kind.
I'm in.

Cheap, cold as all get out, and reasonable distances.

Maybe a month before the Almanzo 100?

http://almanzo.com/

Robbie, I didn't see an actual date on their Facebook site. Do your eyes work better than mine?
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Are we still planning a big turnout for the Dairyland Dare? My wife qualified to compete in the USA Triathlon Age Group Nationals, which is being held on the same day in Milwaukee.... But, she knows that I've already committed to the DD and I'm still game...
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The Almanzo is definitely an eroica event, though not limited to C&V. enough broke-ass kids do it, though, that half-ish of the field is riding vintage steel, just 'cause that's what they have.

The West Side Dirty Benjamin is another gravel grinder in Minnesota, less hilly but a lot faster than the Almanzo. My buddy Kesh who races for Omnium Bike Shop's CX team rode it last year on his Centurion and placed IIRC 5th or 6th, and he's one of these guys with melon-crushing thighs who never smoked a day in his life. Quite a fast field, and they say it can be a lot of fun if you're in condition for it.

*I* say that any event you're in can be a C&V event, as long as you're on a C&V bike. I can definitely say that my Raleigh Professional gets a lot of compliments in the alleycats.
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Almanzo....you devil! Now that I have a proper (by my standards) gravel bike, I might attempt that. I'd be very interested in a vintage ride in MN too!
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I would like to do one in mid-atlantic region. I'd offer to organize it myself but I don't think there's enough decent unpaved roads in NJ (unless you like the sand of the pinelands) but I suspect there are places not too far away in Pennsylvania where one could make this happen. People talk about a place called "upstate New York" that sounds like it might have potential, but I've never really figured out where that is. Nowhere near "western New York" which, come to think of it, is a very pretty place that might have some potential.

The one in Montana looks totally cool. I'd love to do it. But getting to Montana is like a two day drive. And I don't drive if I can help it.
So organize a race down the C&O Canal Towpath! If 1840 isn't C&V, I don't know what would be.
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Are we still planning a big turnout for the Dairyland Dare?
I'm still planning on riding the CVDD.
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hmmm, I wonder if DD could work out for me. I'll have to check my options. going by rail would be interesting...
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What is the best way to organize something like this: vintage enthusiasts who meet to discuss the equipment (that's us)?
In my experience very few people have the interest or commitment to actually do something like this. Organizing a ride is not that hard but it does take long hours and a multi-year commitment to get an event off the ground. Eventually others may see your vision and begin to help out. Perhaps the best way to get something started would be to take an existing event such as a road century and add a vintage category to it. In some areas of the country there could be lots of potential participants. But, once again, it would take an active vintage rider/organizer to be involved. That is a pretty narrow subset of the cycling population!

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Randonneuring clubs who have experience organizing rides, cycling clubs?
Randonneur style rides are usually very self sufficient which kind of takes it out of a L'Eroica style event. The food support at L'Eroica is superior to most organized rides and is part of the reason I enjoyed it so much. Rando clubs often have members who ride classic style bikes, but too often there are greater goals in mind for these riders. Completing a SR series or qualifying for some greater ride is usually the goal. Classic style will be sacrificed by many of these riders to accomplish the goal. Although there are a few "dirt road brevets" out there they are generally not well attended and haven't become popular in this country (at least in the west).

L'Eroica was started in a country which honors tradtions in cycling, by people who believed that much was being lost to the trends of modern cycling. L'Eroica, and the many other vintage cycling events in Italy are a way to help keep some of those ideas alive. I'm afraid that there appears to be little interest in that here.

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