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Old 01-14-13, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Odlorah
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Thank you for your support and encouragement. I promised to myself that I wasn't gonna pay for labor unless I broke something so bad to need someone to bail me out. I did pack the bearings and headset... A first one there... I replaced the brake cables. I am an expert now in cleaning chrome wheels... Replaced new tubes and tires... Not bad for a dumb music teacher who doesn't even own tools. So, far I have only spent money on tires and elbow grease... But that I found at a discount and got plenty of it.

Odlorah,

We will keep it coming as long as it's needed. But I must tell you, you're going to have to quite all this talk about "dumb teacher". I'm a former one myself !

Seriously, if you get hung up on the stem/ DRs, let me know and I can dig some out of the parts bin..... shipping only. If you have a neighbor next door though with a PARTS YARD, keep working on him! He might come around.

Yes pics are needed. There were a lot of FS models, let's see what you are dealing with.
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Originally Posted by Odlorah
What I need is a set of those levers that brace on the headset.
What you need is a set of levers on a clamp which fits the down tube. Some people think they take a bit more getting used to than stem-mounted shifters, but it really isn't hard to learn, and they are so wonderfully direct and smooth. Stem shifters are less precise because of the extra length of housing between the lever and the stop on the top end of the down tube. DT shift levers on a clamp are very common, very available.

And I'm thinking BG is right. The FS may be a fine bike for learning how to tweak a bike, but it isn't worth much expense, and don't forget that maybe your time is worth something too. Those derailleurs are wasted on that bike. There are people right here in C&V (maybe even myself if I had an ongoing project that could use them) who'd easily pay more for them than the whole rest of the bike plus whatever your labor is worth.
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Old 01-14-13, 11:34 PM
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is that white FS yours? My bike is exactly like that... Except for the sorry condition of mine... I wish! How do i publish pictures in this forum? I tried using the icon in the menu to no avail....
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Odlorah,

Yes, that's mine. Check the headbadge of your. It might have the made in Austria written on there. Those were actualy Puch bikes sold to Sears. The BB is a smaller diameter 3 piece crank then the American 1 piece crank. It is a swell casual riding bike that at times change around abit, then comes back to original.

Showing pics. When you reply, there is an icon that says insert pictures, click on that and then hit select files. Must be on the your computer file. follow the tabs to pull pics off your computer that you have saved. Where you left the curser is where the pic will pop up. Hope this is not too confusing....
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Well, this is a nice coincidence. My FS is just the same as yours, white and everything, made in Österreich. The main difference is that mine looks like it just arrived from the Tour de Kandahar... Really. Nice!

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Any luck with getting pics up with my confusing directions
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Originally Posted by 3speedslow
Any luck with getting pics up with my confusing directions
No luck with the picture attachments... Could it be that it doesn't like the iPad?
Also... No luck with the Suntour swap. It just doesn't fit. The FS has a flat hook hat holds the old Simplex. Unfortunately it doesn't fit with the Suntour. Could I just go to the bike shop and ask for one? Is that something that is fairly common? Talking about the bracket/flat hook...
Not a happy camper rigth now... I think Bianchigirl is right..this is a nightmare.
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Originally Posted by Odlorah
The FS has a flat hook hat holds the old Simplex. Unfortunately it doesn't fit with the Suntour. Could I just go to the bike shop and ask for one? Is that something that is fairly common?
That hook is called a derailleur claw. Simplex likely used different threads from the rest of the world, even on their claws. Most of the time that doesn't matter to anyone because you don't usually take the claw off of a derailleur, which means you never have to swap them.

In any case, you can buy a claw for about $4 at just about any bike shop. But take the Suntour Superbe with you and see how it mounts on the claw. Normally a derailleur wouldn't have used one because it would have been used on a bike on which the dropout had an integrated derailleur hanger. The threads are pretty much universal (except for Simplex), but the length of shaft and how tightly it fits to the claw and whether it needs a shim etc. might make it not a simple plug&play. I've never used a Superbe Rd but I imagine it is what Suntour called the slant parallelogram type. The Simplex would have a spring-loaded pivot at the claw and another on the pulley cage. The slant parallelogram type did not pivot at the mount. It was meant to sit at a fixed angle to the frame, and it generally had a stop screw to adjust its position. So the claw mount doesn't have to be free to swing forward and back but you have to be able to push it forward against its stop.
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^^^^^^^ What he said.

Sorry to hear about the frustration. Yes, I think using one of those I..somethings might be the cause. Do you have a reg laptop or PC ?

The Suntour DR that I put on my FS used claws that came with it and they work great. Best to have a "ready to bolt on set".
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Originally Posted by 3speedslow
^^^^^^^ What he said.

Sorry to hear about the frustration. Yes, I think using one of those I..somethings might be the cause. Do you have a reg laptop or PC ?

The Suntour DR that I put on my FS used claws that came with it and they work great. Best to have a "ready to bolt on set".
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A PC? not sure what that is. Just kidding, I just wanted to sound like one of those yuppies.... Oh well, I do have a PC at work but all the pictures are in the iPad. I will have to find a way to get them out of there and uploading those here at work... you know, as risky as that might be.

Man I hate ignorance... I hate not to know what's going on with my --to everybody else-- simple RD swap project.... I'll go after work to the LBS (always wanted to say it like that) and will bring both derailleurs with me to show the guys over there to see what derailleur claw they want to sell to me.... I'm sure that a long haired guy there will have a brilliant solution to my dilemma.
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Originally Posted by rootboy
Now, now Jim ..... let's not be judgmental. But he is sort of right, Odlorah. Those derailleurs were Suntours top end racing parts back when. Very generous of your neighbor to give them to you. Maybe he can also help you find a frame that might be more suitable for these high end parts.
Yes... The news is that my neighbor ended up giving me the frame where the Superbe came from... It is a beautiful and light SR Maxima frame, Tange2... I asked him to sell it to me, but he offered it for free. When I insisted on paying he said: ok, give me ten cents for it... In reality he gave it to my wife.... Which is like stealing candy from a toddler...
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Originally Posted by Odlorah
THe shifters I got of the SR frame came apart in a thousand pieces (washers). They were screwed to a pair of built-in eyelets on the down tube. What I need is a set of those levers that brace on the headset.
Do you mean stem shifters like these?

They're pretty easy to find on ebay for only a few dollars. They should work just fine with pretty much any derailleur as long as you adjust them right. A lot of people knock stem shifters, but personally I like them better than downtubes.
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Do you mean stem shifters like these?

They're pretty easy to find on ebay for only a few dollars. They should work just fine with pretty much any derailleur as long as you adjust them right. A lot of people knock stem shifters, but personally I like them better than downtubes.
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This thread could be a bit confusing is because I've been talking about two bikes:
1) Rusty Free Spirit I picked up for $10 which I've been using to try to learn basic repair stuff about bikes. This bike is already up and running. This one has on stem shifters that were broken. On the advice on someone here, I found a Shimano replacement for $10 bucks.... I cleaned up the old Simplex derailleur and put it back on. It works just fine.

2) My neighbor ended up giving me almost a complete SR road frame and components, no wheels and with wonderful Suntour Superbe components which I have learned now that are old but quality. The story is that not knowing what I was doing, I was trying to install those to the old Free Spirit.... The most memorable comment was that that would be like putting a silk purse on a sow's ear....

the end of that story is that now I have two separate projects. The FS and the SR Maxima in optimal shape but no wheels or crankset/BB. A valuable lesson hat I have learned is that unless you have a bunch of parts lying around from previous projects or whatever, it isn't cost effective to rebuild a bike. In my case, if I purchase a crankset, headset and wheels, I will have overpasses the cost of the bike itself.... The problem now is that the wife wants that bike built for her....

No pressure....
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Originally Posted by Odlorah
Baytree:

This thread could be a bit confusing is because I've been talking about two bikes...
Whoops. Completely missed that, sorry!
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Odlorah, you have a great project there! All the best with it. That SR will be a great bike when you are finished.

As for it being cost-effective to rebuild a bike, I think it can be. Especially when you are given most of the parts and the frame. Hunt around in the C&V For Sale thread or the For Trade thread. Or search ebay but do it carefully. You needn't buy a new crankset. New seaeled-bearing bottom brackets are a good idea and not very expensive, but they aren't necessary if you can find an old set that fits.

I look forward to more reports on your progress on the SR.
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Yes nice ! Better catch the saddle bag before it falls off You got a very nice bike from a generous neighbor.
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