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RFC 01-25-13 11:37 AM

The Haro Extreme was born rat rod. This one got some additional help from years under the AZ sun and a SS drive train.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...MG_0056r-4.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...IMG_0071r2.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...IMG_00822r.jpg

peugeot mongrel 01-25-13 12:49 PM

Maybe the OP is talking about a "classy beater" that rides great.
Pitted chrome, dents, chipped powder coat and wrong decals don't show too much in the pix. It's a favorite rider.

http://mmaygraphics.com/Transfer3/Ciocc1.jpg

Bulldozer27 01-25-13 12:49 PM

This thread rocks! I now know what to do with a rusted out Eddy Merckx Professional that's sitting in my garage.

okane 01-26-13 07:01 AM

Way too nice to rat rod in my opinion!!!!!!!!
 
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Plenty of frames like this around you could play with. I think it would be a shame to customize a nice original like this. I'd buy it from you if I was closer! Just me 2 pennies.

jimmuller 01-26-13 07:48 AM

As I recall from the initial posting so many words and pics ago :D, fiataccompli asked for road bikes set up to be functional but which might look ratty. His example as a possible was a Pinarello, hardly a cruiser or garbage bike.

I would never intentionally make a bike look ratty but this frame was abused when it came to me. It still bears its scars invisible in this old pic. I've clear-coated over some of the bare metal, touched it up with slightly mis-matching paint in places not visible. I built it up with a smattering of parts, all meant to be functional rather than aesthetically matching or period-correct. A few details are different now but none you'd likely notice.

http://users.rcn.com/jimmuller/pics/...hGranSport.jpg

spacemanz 01-26-13 10:28 AM

That makes sense, and I agree. :) I'm into building with cheap used parts, which doesn't have to mean cheaply made BOTL junk. I'm a "regular" at Recycled Cycles, and I buy a lot of pretty nice stuff used. :) I just recently bought a really bizarre-looking handlebar, that was made for a newer-version Schwinn Stingray. It's literally v-shaped, with a mounting bar joining the 2 wings, but that mounting area is a much smaller diameter than I thought, so mounting it would be pretty "iffy", safety-wise, with the shimming it would need. ;) But it LOOKS like something Mad Max would ride, if he were into bicycles. :D

spacemanz 01-26-13 10:34 AM

jimmuller, is that a Raleigh Gran Sport (or Grand Sport, it was spelled both ways, LOL)? I'm thinking seriously about one locally, but it's orange & white, rather than that blue & white that's so common. I might offer some tri-color gear, that I know this guy's looking for, since that is 531. :)

jimmuller 01-26-13 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by spacemanz (Post 15200833)
jimmuller, is that a Raleigh Gran Sport (or Grand Sport, it was spelled both ways, LOL)? I'm thinking seriously about one locally, but it's orange & white, rather than that blue & white that's so common. I might offer some tri-color gear, that I know this guy's looking for, since that is 531. :)

Mine is a "Gran Sport" from 1973, made by Carlton. As I understand it they made only two colors then, white w/blue and blue w/white. The blue was Lagoon Blue, Carlton's team color. According to the stickers my main tubes and fork are 531, but various catalogs and such indicate that depending on the year some were 531 stays also, and the tubes may or may not have been double-butted.

sloar 01-26-13 12:37 PM

this is my rat bike..http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/...0/DSC00935.jpg

Italuminium 01-26-13 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by sloar (Post 15201240)

I think we have a winner.

Arrowana 01-26-13 01:05 PM

Perhaps the first post needs to be edited with big bold letters saying that this is not for slow overweight cruisers...
'
I am thinking I'll try going this route with my Cannondale, remove some of the stickers, throw a bit of a clear coat on the rusty fork, and try and decide whether new or old components would work better. I suppose it probably won't have the full effect though, no matter what I do, still kinda obvious that it is a Cannondale.

Also wonder how hard it would be to get something that has a look similar to the cruisers here but actually is fast.

Italuminium 01-26-13 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Arrowana (Post 15201321)
Perhaps the first post needs to be edited with big bold letters saying that this is not for slow overweight cruisers...

Yes, yes I know, I tend to read the OP (unlike some :) ). but hey, I like thread drift.

jjvw 01-26-13 02:12 PM

I think there is a semantic problem with what "rat rod" really means. I don't have an answer, but I usually picture a deliberate mish-mash of beat up, rusty parts that are cobbled together into something resembling a car (or bike). The look of this contraption is based on 1950's hot rod culture that has been left out in the desert for 30-40 years before being rediscovered by the overly nostalgic punk rock/ rock-a-billy/steam punk scenesters. If you can't find the actual post-war/atomic era source material, you end up making the Disneyland version by adding artifice and faux finishing and flames and more flames and more angry frames (i'm tired of flames on everything). Dont forget the flat black, red and white color scheme to compliment the rust.

This is very different from finding a car or bike from "the era" that has been used, maybe abused, repaired, maintained and upgraded over its life. Its the difference between authentic honest wear and artifice. Its the difference between a "rat rod" and an old bike that has been reused and repurposed.

That being said, very little of what I have seen on these forums described as a rat rod is really a rat rod. I suspect that a rat rod bike is difficult to achieve because the canvas is so small compared to the rusty body panels that can be hung off of an old car. This might be why the best rat rod bikes are cantilever frames with big gas tanks (a different artifice) and fat fenders. The greater the surface area, the greater the chances of success.

Don't get me wrong, there are parts of all of the above that I really enjoy. The problem is that by now, so much of rat rodding has become a fake tough-guy posturing cartoon of itself. I'm pointing at you, Guy Fieri, and your stupid sunglasses. Gene Vincent's bones are laughing at you.

Italuminium 01-26-13 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by jjvw (Post 15201526)
If you can't find the actual post-war/atomic era source material, you end up making the Disneyland version by adding artifice and faux finishing and flames and more flames (i'm tired of flames on everything).

This is very different from finding a car or bike from "the era" that has been used, maybe abused, repaired, maintained and upgraded over its life. Its the difference between authentic honest wear and artifice. Its the difference between a "rat rod" and an old bike.
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This. And don't even get me started on all those "French-style" randonneur builds with way oversized stems, tubes and Tiagra derailleurs with twine and shellac in places you'd never need it, like on the chainstays and under the cable clips. That just looks like a MacDonalds defiling a nice French city square.

jjvw 01-26-13 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by Italuminium (Post 15201561)
..twine...

I have twine on my front porteur rack! :thumb: It secures my headlight wires in a fashionable manner. See above.

RaleighSport 01-26-13 02:37 PM

I like to think cowbike fits the bill for your idea of "ratrod" in this particular case.. although it might be a bit "hip".
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x...psbc0e73c3.jpg

fiataccompli 01-26-13 08:15 PM

as the OP here, I'm fine with some thread/subject drift. This has been interesting on a lot of levels. I've gotten some perspectives. For instance, the amount of frame to provide a "canvas" is an interesting way to think about it. I will say this, when I was saying 'rat rod' I had certain flavor of car construction in mind- and i realize there are more than one. What I had in mind was the pickup truck or sedan pulled out of the "back forty" of someone's farm (complete with some dents, faded paint & probably some rust) with a hot engine dropped in, lowered a bit (maybe with a rake) and with nice wheels....it's a popular recipe I believe in the car world and it's interesting as it creates avenues for profitable flips in that world without meticulous restorations. Somehow or another (and not with the intent to flip), I was thinking of capturing the same spirit with a road bike. It's definitely something different from the preserved or correctly restored approach I usually have with bikes. I'm sure I'll do something along the lines of what I had in mind assuming I can get a decent fit out of the bike. So, ideas/thoughts/tangents are all good....just feeding some creative juices &, heck, I may use some ideas I get too!


by the way, here's my recent entry in the world of faux French bikes (I completely get the cliche someone mentioned above...hey, at least this one is actually a Peugeot and I *swear* there's no twine involved!)

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/h...4-07-08-06.jpg

I guess maybe the best or most extreme example (which isn't really what I'm gonna do) would be a beat up old frame with either fades of different colors, rust, or flaking paint a la "bum bike" sporting a set of deep carbon fiber wheels, a fairly modern component group, etc.

jjvw 01-26-13 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by fiataccompli (Post 15202566)
...

I guess maybe the best or most extreme example (which isn't really what I'm gonna do) would be a beat up old frame with either fades of different colors, rust, or flaking paint a la "bum bike" sporting a set of deep carbon fiber wheels, a fairly modern component group, etc.

This sounds weird and potentially wonderful. I would like to see something like this.

PedalTraveler 01-26-13 08:54 PM

Ratty paint, ratty setting, ratty non-drive side photo....

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/...psfc2df942.jpg

LupinIII 03-20-13 03:56 AM

bumping an old thread coz why not

assuming OP meant stuff like this?

raleigh that doesn't fit me and will probably be on the way out (still have all the original parts in a box)
http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/IMAG0037.jpg

my old trek 460
http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/q...k_stickerz.jpg

dveneman 03-20-13 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by Italuminium (Post 15201271)
I think we have a winner.

Yes , this is the only one that works so far. Think patina on steroids. Oxidized paint, burnished rust areas, weathered components, original parts that have been time worn. I think its much easier to get with a fat fender bike since there is much more fitting style with form and surface area to convey that look. It's just not easy with a small frame alone. At least not without really good closer photos. In fact it is not an easy look to get at all.

bwilli88 03-20-13 07:20 AM

This is a typical delivery bike here in Cambodia
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...314_103803.jpg
This is more of the same
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...314_103818.jpg

Not a true rat rod but she was cute.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...8d90a959a0.jpg

qd-s 03-20-13 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jjvw (Post 15201526)
I think there is a semantic problem with what "rat rod" really means. I don't have an answer, but I usually picture a deliberate mish-mash of beat up, rusty parts that are cobbled together into something resembling a car (or bike). The look of this contraption is based on 1950's hot rod culture that has been left out in the desert for 30-40 years before being rediscovered by the overly nostalgic punk rock/ rock-a-billy/steam punk scenesters. If you can't find the actual post-war/atomic era source material, you end up making the Disneyland version by adding artifice and faux finishing and flames and more flames and more angry frames (i'm tired of flames on everything). Dont forget the flat black, red and white color scheme to compliment the rust.

This is very different from finding a car or bike from "the era" that has been used, maybe abused, repaired, maintained and upgraded over its life. Its the difference between authentic honest wear and artifice. Its the difference between a "rat rod" and an old bike that has been reused and repurposed.

That being said, very little of what I have seen on these forums described as a rat rod is really a rat rod. I suspect that a rat rod bike is difficult to achieve because the canvas is so small compared to the rusty body panels that can be hung off of an old car. This might be why the best rat rod bikes are cantilever frames with big gas tanks (a different artifice) and fat fenders. The greater the surface area, the greater the chances of success.

Don't get me wrong, there are parts of all of the above that I really enjoy. The problem is that by now, so much of rat rodding has become a fake tough-guy posturing cartoon of itself. I'm pointing at you, Guy Fieri, and your stupid sunglasses. Gene Vincent's bones are laughing at you.

+1


Originally Posted by fiataccompli (Post 15194381)
... I'd love to see or hear about your similar projects/bikes or bikes you've seen built in this vein. Share 'em up!

Shown here at C&V before, my last (and maybe this) years' trusty Eroica mount, ca. 1963 PX10.
I hope I'm not boring you... and not sure if it's a proper rat rod.

Frame was painted white a second time at some point in its life - which I didn't like, and re-painting was not an option for me.
So I tried most obvious chemicals to get rid of the "new" paint and at the same time retain as much of the original paintjob underneath as possible.
All to no avail, so I was left scraping off tiny paint chips. Which took quite a while... and was not exceedingly successful, admittedly.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=305661 http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=305662 http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=305663 http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=305664 http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=305660

Arrowana 03-20-13 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by LupinIII (Post 15409057)

raleigh that doesn't fit me and will probably be on the way out (still have all the original parts in a box)
http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/IMAG0037.jpg

That's definitely the best example I've seen, looks awesome! And as far as looks go, the Trek makes me think tricked out Japanese car instead of rat rod. Still pretty cool though.

shoota 03-20-13 08:43 AM

This a good candidate?
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/bid/3674054084.html

sailorbenjamin 03-20-13 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by LupinIII (Post 15409057)
raleigh that doesn't fit me and will probably be on the way out
http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/IMAG0037.jpg


On the way out? 58cm? What size do you need?

Italuminium 03-20-13 03:33 PM

Wow lupinIII, impressive. And totally on-topic, too!

belacqua 03-20-13 04:10 PM

Wikipedia helped me understand what this thread is about:

"A rat rod is a style of hot rod or custom car that, in most cases, imitates (or exaggerates) the early hot rods of the 1940s, 1950s, and early-1960s. The style is not to be confused with the somewhat closely related "traditional" hot rod, which is an accurate re-creation or period-correct restoration of a hot rod from the same era.Most rat rods appear "unfinished", regardless of their status, as only the vehicle's bare essentials are driven.

[...]

Originally a counter-reaction to the high-priced "customs" and typical hot rods, many of which were seldom driven and served only a decorative purpose. The rat rod's inception signified a throwback to the hot rods of the earlier days of hot-rod culture—built according to the owner's abilities and with the intention of being driven. Rat rods are meant to loosely imitate, in both form and function, the "traditional" hot rods of the era. Biker, greaser, rockabilly, psychobilly, and punk sub-cultures are often cited as influences that shaped rat rodding.
The typical rat rod is a late-1920s through to late-1950s coupe or roadster, but sometimes a truck or sedan. Many early (pre-World War II) vehicles were not built with fenders, hoods, running boards, and bumpers. The bodies are frequentlychanneled over the frame and sectioned, or the roofs are chopped, for a lower profile. Later-era post-war vehicles were rarely constructed without fenders and were often customized in the fashion of Kustoms, leadsleds, and lowriders; Maltese crosses, skulls, and other accessories were often added. The owner of the vehicle was typically responsible for most, or all, of the work present in the vehicle.
Recently, the term "rat rod" has been used to describe almost any vehicle that appears unfinished or is built simply to be driven."

--awesome concept for a C&V thread

Italuminium 03-20-13 04:20 PM

Yeah, nice concept indeed. I really hope to present my rattonneur bike soon, at the end of april the first 200 k brevet is coming up, and I want plenty of seat time before the event. Like I said above, old Motobecane frame, a cannibalized triple group, good saddle and some repurposed bags. Got to scrounge some fenders from somewhere.

byhsu 03-20-13 04:25 PM

sorry, posted in wrong section.


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