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Old 01-27-13, 04:59 PM
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My wife's obscure Indian bike - Now with pictures!

So I've been working all weekend and I got a phone call last night from my wife. She found an old bike at a yard sale, and it was only $10, so she bought it. She wanted me to look at it when I got home and see what needed to be done. Imagine my surprise when I opened the garage door and found a '69 AMF Royal Prince 3 speed from India sitting there.

It's in absolutely awful condition. It's filthy, the saddle's missing, the tires are done for, and the AW hub is stuck in between the first and second gears. It might clean up nice, though. It looks like the kind of thing I would drag home and subsequently get yelled at for dragging home. I asked her what she was planning on doing with it, and that's when she said something I though I'd never hear:

"I was kinda hoping you'd teach me to work on it and I could fix it up."

I just about fainted.

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Old 01-27-13, 05:23 PM
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Ha ha...very nice. I'm pretty confident my wife would never come close to doing something like that, let alone utter those words.
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Old 01-27-13, 05:26 PM
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Sweet. My wife would pull out the bible and consign it hell. "Away ye spawn of satan..."
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Old 01-27-13, 05:30 PM
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Roll with it!!! The universe is giving you a chance to shine

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Old 01-27-13, 05:37 PM
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We're talking wife as in "female humanoid"?
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Old 02-27-13, 06:58 PM
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Indeed we are. I just finished the commuter I've been working on for my sister in law to take to college and the wife requested that her find be the next one to get an overhaul. I'll be posting pictures and such as I work through it.

You guys have got to see the bottom bracket & crankset on this thing. The left crank arm is welded to the bottom bracket axle and the pedals are welded to the crank arms. Welded. I could not make this up.

Thus far the plan is this:

Strip bike down, see what can be salvaged
Rebuild rear hub
Get a saddle, tires/tubes, chain, bottom bracket, crankset, pedals, and whatever else it needs
Have the the frames/forks powdercoated or painted, according to the wife's wishes
Reassemble and hope for the best. We'll see how it goes.

Off Topic: Last week our tax refund came in and I gave it to her to buy a family car (we just had a baby in Nov.). She bought a '68 VW Beetle, justifying it with "It has a back seat, It'll be fine." and "Hey, you already know how to work on it." I'm afraid I may be rubbing off like a bad coat of paint, and she's getting the addiction-to-expensive-projects part.
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Old 02-27-13, 07:22 PM
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There is a joke I'd like to make about the title, but I don't want to get reprimanded by the mods.
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Old 02-27-13, 07:33 PM
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^ so........ya...........seeing a doctor?
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Old 02-28-13, 02:28 PM
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(...) She bought a '68 VW Beetle, justifying it with "It has a back seat, It'll be fine." and "Hey, you already know how to work on it." (...)
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Old 03-07-13, 03:54 PM
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Well, we got it all stripped down. Some highlights:
Here's how it looked before we began.

Welded on crank arm:



1969 AW Three Speed, currently stuck between gears:

AMF Logo on the seat tube:

Head badge:

Mid teardown:

Made in India:

Original tires?
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Old 03-07-13, 04:01 PM
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Several parts were stamped "Brampton Made in India":


And the frame after getting it all apart:


The frame's slightly warped at the seat tube. LBS said they could straighten it out.

I've scoured the web and I've found precisely 4 hits on this bike, one of which was a classified ad from my town that I'm pretty sure is this exact one. Anyone have any information on these?
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Old 03-07-13, 04:14 PM
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Before taking it apart, that AW hub might be ok with just filling up it with a good machine oil and letting it sit. Spin it fast a few times and then all the extra oil will seep out and it may be good to go. Those things are pretty tough!
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I keep telling you guys- get your wives into wrenching and you'll never want for blue-handled tools again. Women aren't as strong (generally speaking) in the hands and arms as guys. Precision tools make working on bikes much easier, so I think women as a group tend to buy the correct tool with less delay than men.
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Old 03-07-13, 09:09 PM
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I keep telling you guys- get your wives into wrenching and you'll never want for blue-handled tools again. Women aren't as strong (generally speaking) in the hands and arms as guys. Precision tools make working on bikes much easier, so I think women as a group tend to buy the correct tool with less delay than men.
This suggests you bought that 13 pc. Park cone wrench set!
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This suggests you bought that 13 pc. Park cone wrench set!
I wish I had, but I wanted a wheel-truing stand more. I had to negotiate Valentine's Day, Mother's day, and my birthday to get it. Dude drives a hard bargain.

I was able to sneak in a HCW3 BB wrench in with his saddle shipment, though.
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Before taking it apart, that AW hub might be ok with just filling up it with a good machine oil and letting it sit. Spin it fast a few times and then all the extra oil will seep out and it may be good to go. Those things are pretty tough!
Did this and it worked! Thanks for the tip.

Took the frame down to the bike shop. The mechanic measured it and told me that it's symmetrical and I'd be better off not straightening it. He pronounced it acceptable to assemble and ride. We ordered a bottom bracket, crankset, tires+tubes, and handlebar stem. We also ordered a replacement indicator spindle online as the one on the hub has a broken link.

Rebecca decided she doesn't want it painted, preferring to keep the original colors and logos. She also picked out some ridiculously ugly pedals. This bike is going to be rather odd looking.

We ran into some weirdness on the headset: although the bottom bracket is a standard British/ISO size (LBS guy checked to be sure), the headset is the 26tpi Raleigh size. As it was pretty well thrashed we had to hunt down another one - not an easy task. Fortunately, there was a seller on eBay that had a NOS headset in the right size. Also notable is that the rear dropouts are the ones Sheldon Brown notes as a way to identify Raleighs from other makes. I'm beginning to suspect that this thing was just thrown together from whatever parts and tooling the factory happened to have on hand that day.

We'll get started putting it together once the parts get here - it'll probably be a week or so for the online stuff. I'll keep you posted.
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a lot of Raleigh/Phillips/Rudge looking stuff came out of India . . alot, the streets of India are still full of these types of bike indicating massive numbers to begin with.
The BB - headsets having different threads really opens it up to some different BB/crank options though?
It looks like it could be badged a whole lot of different names Raleigh/ Royal Enfeild/Triumph/Phillips/Humber/Rudge/New Hudson/Hercules/Lenton the list goes on.
In India this type of bike was in manufacture way longer than other countries, much like Mexico and the 1302 shape beetle still in manufacture up until about 91-93?
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She is a keeper.
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Thanks for the update. Looking forward to seeing the result.
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She is a keeper.
The bike's not bad, either. Congrats!
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You guys have got to see the bottom bracket & crankset on this thing. The left crank arm is welded to the bottom bracket axle and the pedals are welded to the crank arms. Welded. I could not make this up.
Puts new meaning in the phrase "Sealed Mechanism."
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It has all the hall marks of a Raleigh clone. Keep the original stuff and find a nice heron crank. That was a popular colour for early 70's Raleigh off brands.

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We found a nice vintage (or vintage-looking, there weren't many details) crankset on eBay so we naturally had to order it. Rebecca decided on white grips and a white saddle to go with the tires (which have a white pinstripe). At least it will look nice sans pedals.

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The headset showed up, so we went ahead and put in on. We're going to need a 10mm spacer in order for it to fit correctly.
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