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Old 02-09-13, 06:37 AM
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please help date my triumph / raleigh

Sort of reposting from the headbadge thread, but as I was resurrecting something from such a long time ago anyway I thought maybe a new thread might get better results. I'm still coming a little unstuck with dating my ladies single speed Triumph, knowing what type it is, and am hoping someone will help. I have no interest in its value as I know its nothing high spec but to me a part of anything vintage is finding as much as possible about its history and what it is you're keeping alive.

The only serial number I can find is 40498N with a T underneath as shown in the link below. It is on the side of the seat lug as shown in the registry as 1947-55 convention #1, however the N suffix is not mentioned until the early 60s and without it I'm not sure my number is even long enough?

Underneath the seat there is a small raleigh logo so I know its young enough to basically be a raleigh in disguise, and I know it was bought second hand in '72 by its previous owner, but this is all the info I have.

I've included a picture of the decals just in case they help. If knowing anything else would help obviously just let me know. Sadly I can't find any number on the rear hub

https://s1307.beta.photobucket.com/us...pring/library/

Thank you so much in advance :-) So far I have shiny brakes and one shiny rim. She is my first resto, so it could take me a while!

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Old 02-09-13, 07:02 AM
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Your photobucket link doesn't work.
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Old 02-09-13, 07:12 AM
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https://s1307.beta.photobucket.com/us...pring/library/

any better? grr I signed up purely for this post so I'm hoping this works!
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Old 02-09-13, 08:18 AM
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I can't identify anything by the S/N but since it lacks a bottom bracket oil port, I'd guess post '62, and since it still has the calipers for soldered-on cable ends it would be pre-'66.
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Old 02-09-13, 08:25 AM
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Those Raleigh double ended brake cables were phased out by about '64. It will be impossible to give it your bike an exact date because of Raleighs screwy serial numbers so pick a year...I'd call it a 59 Triumph and move on with the restoration. It's a decent Raleigh and things should clean up really well. I'd consider building up a 3 speed rear wheel for it too. Late 50's Sturmey hubs abound in Britain.

edit, Auchen, I think the second tier marques lost the BB oiler (and pump pegs) earlier than the standard Raleighs. I can't tell from the pics that this one is lacking for one.

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My 62 Sports Deluxe has the pump pegs but no oiler.
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Those Raleigh double ended brake cables were phased out by about '64.
'65 was actually the last year for them (my 65 Superbe has them).
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'65 was actually the last year for them (my 65 Superbe has them).
My 68 Superbe has 'em, too. Hmmm.
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Raleigh has a history of using new old stock parts in production long after they disappear from the catalogs. Most recently, these Humber forks showed up on model built 20 years later. [B]https://tinyurl.com/bjspr23

Sheldon thought that 65 was the last year for soldered ends as well.


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Lacking hard data, let's try crowdsourcing a date for you! I vote for 1963, just 'cuz.
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Lacking hard data, let's try crowdsourcing a date for you! I vote for 1963, just 'cuz.
Well, I say it's a 1963 !
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Old 02-09-13, 01:13 PM
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I'm loving the replies and appreciate the help. I'm a bit slow when it comes to what's what so bear with me. Is this a bottom bracket oil port?
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Yes it is! They are usually on the left side, though. In fact the only other one I've seen on the right, like yours, was on a 1963 Lenton Sports.
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Originally Posted by bikamper View Post
My 68 Superbe has 'em, too. Hmmm.
...as does my '66 Sports. +1 for consistency! I'll go with '63 as the popular choice.

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Originally Posted by auchencrow View Post
Well, I say it's a 1963 !
rhm, you're a scream. I vote 1963, too.
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Originally Posted by rhm View Post
Yes it is! They are usually on the left side, though. In fact the only other one I've seen on the right, like yours, was on a 1963 Lenton Sports.

I think that's why we first overlooked it. ^

kerispring - Does your trigger shifter have a little round window in it to display "H-N-L"? (High/Normal/Low)?
If not, it's probably still a 1963. If so, it's earlier.
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Its single speed so I have no trigger shifter... does that mean we're sticking with '63?
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Originally Posted by kerispring View Post
Its single speed so I have no trigger shifter... does that mean we're sticking with '63?
D'oh! - I would have known it was a single had I looked at the hub, and there would have been no mystery because the hub would have told us the date!

Anyway, Raleigh acquired BSA-Triumph cycles in '57, so I guess your bike could be as old as '57 or '58 if the Raleigh seat logo is original. - Are there any other components with the little Sir Walter stamp?
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