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Drummerboy1975 03-31-13 08:06 AM

Lets talk 650c's
 
Someone gave me a brand new set of Michelin 650c Pro Course Service Race tires.
I haven't the foggiest what to do with them? I've never had any dealing with a 650 wheel, so I wouldn't know where to start. What bikes came with these size wheels?

Actually, if anyone here has a burning desire to own a set of these, I'd glady trade them for an equal set of 700x23's.........

Henry III 03-31-13 08:26 AM

The frame I built last year uses 650c wheels. You don't see them very often anymore. They used to come on Tri bike, smaller road frames to alleviate toe overlap. The "funny" TT bikes in 80 sometimes used a 650c front wheel. There were a few larger companies that built 650c bikes. I love 650c wheels and if you ever feel like donating them I'll gladly accept them ;)

happy easter
henry

Scooper 03-31-13 08:35 AM

In the early 90s, Schwinn made Paramounts in both 700c and 650c versions produced by both Waterford and Panasonic.

Also, some smaller frames use 650c to minimize toe-lap problems encountered with 700c.

I think one reason they never caught on is that on a larger frame they make the bike look like a circus clown should be riding it.


Originally Posted by Schwinn 1992 Paramount catalog
The Case for 26” Wheels

Ask Product Manager and Cat II racer Dennis Lane why you should consider switching to 26” wheels and he’ll tell you the real question is why anyone still rides 700C in the first place.

“I’ve ridden a Series 7 prototype for the past two seasons,” he explains, “and the 26” wheels are faster in every respect.”

“Of course there’s less wind resistance with 26. And they’re lighter and stronger because the spokes are shorter. And the reduced gyroscopic force lets the bike change lines quicker, making it more maneuverable. And because they’re smaller and weigh less, they accelerate faster. Those are all points people pick up on right away in a test ride.”

“But what really sells them is the first time they ride in a pack. They can’t believe it! They’re motoring along at 25 or 30 mph, and realize they’re doing a lot less work – every time they jump it’s an instant bike length on the nearest rider. By the end of the race, they’re lifetime converts.”


wrk101 03-31-13 10:00 AM

But on medium or small frames, they can look pretty good. (92 Paramount Series 7, Panasonic)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8226/8...3ed6b14b_b.jpg

repechage 03-31-13 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by Henry III (Post 15450928)
The frame I built last year uses 650c wheels. You don't see them very often anymore. They used to come on Tri bike, smaller road frames to alleviate toe overlap. The "funny" TT bikes in 80 sometimes used a 650c front wheel. There were a few larger companies that built 650c bikes. I love 650c wheels and if you ever feel like donating them I'll gladly accept them ;)

happy easter
henry

The Windsor brand has a women's specific road bike with 650c wheels. I think it is a terrific element to design a good handling bike for the 5'+/- club. Without going to a 24" front wheel which because of the different contact patch when mated to a 700c rear can make handling a bit touchy. Women I have known with the "Terry" design solution have all dumped their bikes. Maybe they are not good bike handlers, but I don't think that is all of it.

RobbieTunes 03-31-13 10:25 AM

+1

I see what the racer wrote, but it's not simple. You fall of the pace of that pace-line, and at 56t up front, even with 650c wheels, you're not getting right back on speed. You can't (or I can't, anyway) get back on by jumping a couple of cogs, and spinning up. You (or I) have to climb about 6 cogs, and work your way back. By then, I'm 200' back and losing. It's easier to keep pace, but a lot harder to get back up to it. Great climber, though. http://i.imgur.com/YSOIqTV.jpg

On the other hand, there are the "funny" bikes with the 650c front wheels.http://i.imgur.com/fBwhRAY.jpg

And on another hand, there are plenty of 650c tri-bikes still out there. Sometimes, the tri-bike positioning lends itself to running a little higher cadence than normal, and that's necessary when you're running 53/39 on 650c wheels.
http://www.bikyle.com/images/CerveloP2-K03.jpg

Drummerboy1975 03-31-13 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by Henry III (Post 15450928)
The frame I built last year uses 650c wheels. You don't see them very often anymore. They used to come on Tri bike, smaller road frames to alleviate toe overlap. The "funny" TT bikes in 80 sometimes used a 650c front wheel. There were a few larger companies that built 650c bikes. I love 650c wheels and if you ever feel like donating them I'll gladly accept them ;)

happy easter
henry

I'll gladly trade them for a set of 700x23 or 25's

Drummerboy1975 03-31-13 12:01 PM

Here they are. Pro Race 3 650X23C

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...1_125042-1.jpg

that_guy_zach 03-31-13 01:38 PM

I got this Cannondale "Compact" for a friend. Great little 650C bike. I know they built them in 95/96 but not sure after that.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c9...psa65dee4d.jpg

rhm 03-31-13 02:12 PM

My wife rides a Bianchi Eros (not Eros Donna) with 650c wheels. It is nice because it is a normal looking bike with normal proportions (except for absurdly long 170mm cranks) and it fits her without compromises. Next to one of my bikes it looks pretty comical, being small, but by itself it looks normal.

Unfortunately no one makes tires fatter than 28mm, and even those are rare (thoughTerry makes them).

Drummerboy1975 03-31-13 02:54 PM

I've notice women our riding very small bikes, like 48cm or smaller, and the 700's under them look huge. Now I understand why.

Roger M 03-31-13 03:09 PM

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...180301_299.jpg

RobbieTunes 03-31-13 05:02 PM

I have that same frame sitting here. Something like a 43 cm

Originally Posted by that_guy_zach (Post 15451792)
I got this Cannondale "Compact" for a friend. Great little 650C bike. I know they built them in 95/96 but not sure after that.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c9...psa65dee4d.jpg



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