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Old 04-08-13, 12:41 AM   #1
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Shifter options for commuting/light touring?

I'm currently setting up a 198? Nishiki Continental (by norco). I acquired the bike missing the original handlebars and shifters. I am almost certain I am going to use bullhorn bars, as I find them the most comfortable. The RD is suntour cyclone mk-II touring and a 6-speed suntour freewheel. In the interest of cost savings, I'd like to replace as few parts as possible (ideally just the shifter). This bike will be used for commuting, so controlled, heads-up shifting is a priority.

Option one: DT Shifters
- DT shifters are not really ideal for commuting, so for DT, I'd want something indexed. Is this possible with my set-up?

Option two: Barend shifters
- I'm would not mind going friction in this case, although I can't seem to find any inexpensive bar-ends out there.

Option three: Thumb shifters
- Not the most elegant solution. Would a set of suntour indexed MTB shifters with those "endless bands" work in this application?

I've never set up a bike with indexed shifting before, so admittedly I am still a bit confused on all the compatability issues.

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Old 04-08-13, 12:50 AM   #2
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Suntour Barcons can usually be found for around 40.00 in nice condition and will work wonderfully with your parts.
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Thanks Sixty-Fiver, that's what I was originally learning towards, although I've been seeing auctions go for about $50, plus another $15-20 for shipping to Canada, making them cost a bit more than I wanted to spend.
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Wouldn't stem shifters be an option? Even cheaper and easier to set up than Barcons.

There are a lot of options, if style matters

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I did consider stem shifters, although quite frankly I think I am too vain to put them on my bike. I've never seen a set that are particularly attractive.

I've been exploring my options more, and is it even possible to get my current set-up to index? I know my RD and freewheel are pre-indexing days, but am I correct in saying that 6-speed accushift shifters wouldn't be compatible?
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I don't think there is an indexing shifter for the Cyclone Mk II derailleur. If you want indexed shifting, you should probably buy a new freewheel, chain, rear derailleur, and shifters all together to ensure they play nice together. While you're at it, you could go up to a 7-speed freewheel; it's only a little wider than your existing 6-sp one. SunRace makes 7 speed indexed stem shifters:

http://www.niagaracycle.com/categori...7-speed-1-pair
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Option three: Thumb shifters
- Not the most elegant solution. Would a set of suntour indexed MTB shifters with those "endless bands" work in this application?
On the contrary, with Bullhorns they can look pretty nice, better than barends anyway,I think ( which will stick up like little misaligned antenna's ) off the ends of your bars......since your concerned about apperance.
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A nice set of thumb shifters set near the ends look nice or next to the stem if you ride the tops look and work pretty well IMHO
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I have a set or two of these tucked away for someone somewhere sometime...

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check out Suntour Command shifters, i use them on my touring bike. they are awesome if you're using drop bars and aero brakes.

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Randyjawa, these look interesting as well. They are trigger shifters correct? I don't think it would work for me since I'd have to replace my whole rear mech set-up but I think it's certainly a nifty system and a cool alternative to brifters.


Catnap, the suntour commands are certainly fetching quite a cost on ebay. I saw a pair going for $300. I probably couldn't sell my whole bike for that much!
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Randyjawa, these look interesting as well. They are trigger shifters correct? I don't think it would work for me since I'd have to replace my whole rear mech set-up but I think it's certainly a nifty system and a cool alternative to brifters.


Catnap, the suntour commands are certainly fetching quite a cost on ebay. I saw a pair going for $300. I probably couldn't sell my whole bike for that much!
As soon as you said they were $300 two eBay sellers came to mind: pb*bikes and bbcbikes. Neither of them price their products realistically.
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I have a set or two of these tucked away for someone somewhere sometime...

Actually I just realized what these remind me of: those flappy-paddle F1 gear shifters they have on ferraris and lamborghinis.
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While I'm not a fan and typicaly woudln't recomend the stuff. 1st generation Acushift 6peed stuff should basically work with what you have and can be had pretty cheapand is actually pretty decent setup right.
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While I'm not a fan and typicaly woudln't recomend the stuff. 1st generation Acushift 6peed stuff should basically work with what you have and can be had pretty cheapand is actually pretty decent setup right.
Accushift stuff has to be paired with Accushift stuff. You can use a 6 Speed SIS Shimano FW, but you have to have 6 Sp Accushift shifters and a matching rear derailleur. The Cyclone MKII will not work.

If you want to go indexed- do it with Shimano first, rather than sourcing the oddball Accushift stuff and getting angry when it doesn't work.

If you're going to go friction- the stuff you have on the bike will work.

If you're concerned about immediate, heads up shifting- go flat bar, thumb shifter (the suntour ratcheting power thumb shifters are awesome) and get some clamp on bar ends if you want those extra hand positions.

I don't know why people think thumb shifters aren't elegant. They're the most functional, convenient shifting method- your hand is RIGHT there.







These are my favorite Shimano thumb shifters- The cat's pajamas.




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After some deliberation, I think I've decided to go with bar-end shifters. I hate dealing with ebay auctions, and for not much more I think I can buy new.

Has anyone any experiences with Dia-compe/Silver bar-ends? I know they are supposed to use the suntour mech.


And I've seen some good deals on the Shimano Ultegra SL-6480 kit. It comes with cables, housing, cable stops and everything. Those are little costs that add-up. Does anyone know if they have a friction mode? I can't find any clear answers through google. I can find both for around the same price, which one would you choose?

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I've personally used both the silver bar-end shifters and Shimano SL-BS77 bar end shifters on the same bike. I personally like the Shimano bar ends the best, I think they are a decent value considering all they come with. I sold the silvers and kept the shimanos. It looks like those probably have a friction mode. See the little D-ring on the side of the shifter? That is what you use to change between friction and indexed.
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The general consenus I'm getting from my google searches is that the power ratchet design is a little smoother, but unless anyone can give me a good reason not to, I think I'm going to go with the shimano unit. I figure if I really hate them I can use different levers but the same pods. I am under the impression that the "silver pods" that rivendell are the same thing correct?

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Since you're staying with friction shifting with that rear mech, I'd go with the Dia-Compe set.
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After some deliberation, I think I've decided to go with bar-end shifters. I hate dealing with ebay auctions, and for not much more I think I can buy new.

Has anyone any experiences with Dia-compe/Silver bar-ends? I know they are supposed to use the suntour mech.


And I've seen some good deals on the Shimano Ultegra SL-6480 kit. It comes with cables, housing, cable stops and everything. Those are little costs that add-up. Does anyone know if they have a friction mode? I can't find any clear answers through google. I can find both for around the same price, which one would you choose?

The Ultegra SL-6480 bar ends have a friction mode that works well. The left is always in friction mode and the right shifter can be switched between index and friction. I am using them in friction mode with Paul Thumbies on my commuter. I really like this setup.
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I use the Dia-compe bar ends on my Bridgestone in friction mode and like them better than the Shimano Ultegra's I have on another bike. The longer length of the lever feels better and the feels easier to shift to me. Both of them were bought used so the Shimanos may have a bit more use on them.
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