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Old 04-16-13, 05:33 PM
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magical mystery tourer

saw this at a local retro-goods shop, what is it? Sticker indicates it came over from england.










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No idea but it looks nice! Did you pick it up?? Looks my size
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Hmm... very nice. Very good lugwork, nice paint. I wonder if it had been re-finished. Kinda unusual to have a painted rack. Any markings on the BB or anywhere else? I'm thinking mid 80's, small builder. Too nice for most of the bigger shops. Please, more detailed pictures. What are the tags under the seat tube 531 sticker? More info and pictures, better chances.
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Yeah, looks nice but I don't trust 531 decals on a repaint. Still, it's got enough high end features that it could be that. Ishiwata isn't bad stuff either. Pull the seat and look down the seat tube for a seam. Also check the backs of the fork legs for seams. Whatever it's made of, I'd have brought it home.
That Accushift system is dateable.
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Let's see. The red and white tag looks like a cycle shop tag. The green tag is a moving sticker (that means check the frame and fork alignment, there's a Sampsonite gorilla in every moving van) and the white tag hanging from the handlebars says two hundred and something dollars. Kinda stiff for a mystery bike.
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Old 04-16-13, 06:30 PM
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yea they are asking $295 for it. There are a few (2) numbers on the BB. Not sure if they will let me take out the seatpost. Seatpost Reynolds sticker says it's "super touring" 531.
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Buy now ask questons later! I'm not jumping on the "it's a repaint" wagon. Maybe a smaller builder? Nice lug work, cast dropouts, I doubt it's gas pipe. I would not have left it in the store that's for certian. What time do they open?

Edit: Just noticed the reinforeced brake bridge. Maybe a conversion to canti's? My gut says it's worth more than the $295 asking price.

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Old 04-16-13, 07:10 PM
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It felt heavy but that may be from the cheapish parts. Looks to be 58-60cm, so too big for me.
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I'm kind of surprised that the lugs look so nice, and yet it has only one set of water bottle braze-ons and no mid-fork braze-ons. Does it have two pairs of eyelets on the fork tips?
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I was going to say 70's with using full housing on the top tube but if it's a touring bike then I can understand with using full housing on the top tube. Also only one set of bottle cage bosses point to mid/late 70's or early 80's. Cool bike and I wouldn't debate if it was 531. Looks to have Campy dropouts also. The brake bridge is a nice piece also that you normally don't see on gas pipe frames or entry level frames.

I also think it could of been a standard road frame at one time hence the recessed brake bridge that looked like it was used before. Also I'm guessing the lower mount on the dropout was probably added on also to be more touring friendly and also with the canti bosses. Just my thoughts.

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I couldn't see any markings on the dropouts, don't think they are campy.
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Paint probably filled it in. Sure looks a lot like these.
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Old 04-16-13, 09:42 PM
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Rear dropouts look like Campy to me. The more I look at this frame, the more it reminds me of my own bike! I've got the identical Saba top tube cable guides that this bike has, and the identical head tube lugs. I've got different rear drops and a different fork crown because I specified them when I had it built in 1982. Mine was built by Stan Pike. He was a builder who worked in Somerset. He died in 1983.

My bike is also not light - it was built as a "fast tourer" but it rides like a dream. Unfortunately, I only have a relatively small unsharp picture of mine. I have a 2.1Mb picture of it, but I haven't bothered to host it on flickr or picasa, so I can't show it to you yet.
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https://www.classicrendezvous.com/Bri.../Pike_Stan.htm - unfortunately, the pictures are also small. Look at the red one - the seat cluster is quite reminiscent of the bike you're looking at, and so are the lugs.

So getting back to the bike in question - yes, $295 may seem a bit steep, but then, if it fits you and you can live with a seven speed freewheel... why don't you ask if you could ride it?
If it fits and tracks fine, then the price is not outlandish. And other posters have said that they wouldn't have left without it...
If it turns out to be a genuine 531 handbuilt bike, it may never become sought after like better known brands, but so what? I'm resigned to knowing that I'd be very lucky to get $400 for my bike, even with it's rarefied but obscure pedgree. But it fits me like a rabbit fur lined glove, is lively yet stable, and yet can carry a camping load without complaint.
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Yeah, I'm thinking that the cantis were added when it was repainted. It looks like a good quality repaint but I'm pretty sure it's a repaint. If you like the ride and you like the color then it's a good price, whoever built it and what they built it out of. If it doesn't fit then it might not be worth trying to flip it without some sort of pedigree.
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It's a re-paint and the stickers may very well be misleading. I'd be very careful; especially if "it feels heavy.'
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It has enough quality to it to make me think it would be worth getting if it fits, figure out the pedigree later. Maybe offer $250? $275?

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Oh - I forgot to say that the rack bosses on the seat stays are also identical to the ones on my Stan Pike. The BB markings will tell (unless the repaint covers it). There should be an SP toward the center of the shell on the bottom. Mr. Pike also would denote the owner's identity, either by birth date, phone number, or something else the owner wanted. He liked to use cast BBs. And he always gave people choice on what type of seat cluster treatment, frame ends, and what crown was desired. I chose Shimano vertical dropouts on my frame.
OP says it's too big for him... looks like a 62 - 64?
This bike is a sleeper but worthy for one who wants real steel at a reasonable price. Doesn't seem to me as if there is enough in the components or the marque to make it a flipper. Considering that people sometimes get $300 for hi-ten bikes around here, there's real value in this for the right person. A quirky but good looking frame. It will never become a 21 pound bike (unless fixified ), but tourists know that this is of little consequence. If this is a 72.2 mm seat post, it is almost guaranteed to be an English 531 butted tubeset. No one would use those lugs on gaspipe. If I were still reasonably strong and wanted a touring set up, this would fit the bill, even with it's dated components.

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Hard to tell from the pic, (see first) but it has under the BB cable routing. Wouldn't that date it to mid/late 80s or so?
Also, BB had "T 8" and black plastic cable routers which could of covered up more numbers/letters I suppose.
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Mine has under BB cables, with cast guides. I spec'd my frame in 1981 - it just took forever for me to get the frame - which is why I call it 1982.
Depending upon which cast BB shell was selected, either the guides were part of the casting or else were nylon, pop-riveted after painting.
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I will go back for more pics + seatpost size + some measurements. It will still be there knowing the market around here. It will need some work - I couldn't even spin the wheels due to out-of-true or brakes too tight.
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My seatpost measures 27.2-27.3 with my crappy calipers. Duh- I said 72.2 first time round, me doofus.
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google/stan pike/images yields several pics of his frames. All I saw had wrapover/semi wrapover or fastback seatstay treatments, none looked like the retro store bike's seatstays.
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that would make a nice cross bike. Given the nice lugs and fork I see no reason to not believe it is a quality bike. Could be a dutch made cross bike re-purposed after it's racing career to a touring bike.
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Went back at lunch - seatpost is 27.2, rear spacing is (spread?) 130.
ST c-c is 58, TT c-c is 57.
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google/stan pike/images yields several pics of his frames. All I saw had wrapover/semi wrapover or fastback seatstay treatments, none looked like the retro store bike's seatstays.
Copy that. I'm not sure that he would not have done the traditional seat stay treatment though - meaning that he might have - both wrapover and fastback are much more labor intensive.
Keep us posted what happens with the mystery. Wondering about the frame stickers - may give leads about the obvious refit/repaint, and perhaps even info on the original bike. Since it doesn't fit you, are you thinking of snagging it anyway?

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