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Old 04-21-13, 09:22 AM
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Nice Moto Champion Team here;

Does this belong to anyone here?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Motobec...item27d1fa903f
Seller has told me he is selling it for the owner so questions about details are too much trouble , for me.
Couple of non-original components but overall looks like a nice bike.
Not a 1973 model though, I don't believe.
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So were you the "knowledgeable" person who pointed out the brake levers?
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Nope.

I didn't point out anything to him. I did ask him how he managed to date it to 1973, but he just said the owner told him all that stuff in the listing.
Don't you have one of these, Lynn?
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I saw that last night. Was wondering what year it is. How to tell?
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Originally Posted by satbuilder
I saw that last night. Was wondering what year it is. How to tell?
The corpus of the moto catalogues online is pretty complete, and they include spec lists. Get your sherlock hat and magnifying glass and get to work

Besides, the number 1973 is mentioned several times in the add.
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Originally Posted by satbuilder
I saw that last night. Was wondering what year it is. How to tell?
I'm certainly no expert but I think it's more like a 74 or 75, and has probably been dated by the owner by the stamping on the rear derailleur.
But the catalog search will only yield partial help as the Champion Team in the 73 catalog had no photo to go with it.
The clues as I see them:

The MOTOBECANE on the down tube is the larger block lettering. Earlier models had the slimmer, script type face.
The 73, which I believe mine is, had black painted seat stay caps.
It also has half chromed fork ends.
And the bike in the auction has the shiny silver foil head badge sticker. Similar to the one on my 75 Le Champion.
The earlier version is a cream colored, textured field with a black M superimposed
over it. And a textured gold foil tiny crest halfway down the seat tube.
My 73 has the exposed nut Cinelli 1A stem with the patent number stamped on the underside.

Etc.......

That's a pretty nice bike in the auction and, according to the seller, via the owner, it has not been re-painted.
Beautiful saddle on it too.
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Originally Posted by rootboy
Nope.

I didn't point out anything to him. I did ask him how he managed to date it to 1973, but he just said the owner told him all that stuff in the listing.
Don't you have one of these, Lynn?
Yes I do. And I agree with your opinion that it is later than 73.
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Mine has been identified as possibly a '74. Though the original owner told me he ordered and bought it in the summer of 73. Not that it matters a whole heck of a lot but I enjoy sleuthing these insignificant little details.
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Thanks for the lesson. I haven't seen many photos of those, and never in person. They don't show up very often.
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Those are all just educated guesses on my part. Precise dating of these things is always a crap shoot. No, you don't see them that often, and that is a nice one other than those awful rims. Popular size too. I'm very curious to see where it goes.
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well, someone got a pretty sweet deal here IMO, even with needing some new rims and brake levers
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Motobec...item27d1fa903f
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Originally Posted by rootboy
well, someone got a pretty sweet deal here IMO, even with needing some new rims and brake levers
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Motobec...item27d1fa903f
Guess I will keep mine a while longer.
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Yeah. Me too.
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My opinion: that went way too cheap.

Once I get rid of a few things I will be looking.
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Originally Posted by satbuilder
My opinion: that went way too cheap.
It did. And it always makes me wonder why.
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are the bar end shifters original to a team champion?
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Originally Posted by satbuilder
My opinion: that went way too cheap.

Once I get rid of a few things I will be looking.
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It did. And it always makes me wonder why.
I am curious as to what you all are basing your pricing upon. You don't see these too often and from what I recall (and my memory is not perfect) is that this auction was one of the higher sales. I paid less for mine than this auction's final price. But then that was several years ago.
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My opinion's based on an all Campagnolo high end French built high quality bike with limited availability. Known Italian stuff from the same time frame and build quality with similar components and condition (original finish) seem to go for considerably more money.

And, of course, I want one. That trumps everything else I just said.
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I got $1,305 for mine on ebay about a year and a half ago. Mine was 60cm, frame, fork & headset only. This one seems cheap.
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Originally Posted by satbuilder
My opinion's based on an all Campagnolo high end French built high quality bike with limited availability. Known Italian stuff from the same time frame and build quality with similar components and condition (original finish) seem to go for considerably more money.

And, of course, I want one. That trumps everything else I just said.
Opinions are okay, but they are not actual sales. I own an NOS came NIB Lejeune and I have not seen a CT approach what I paid for it. But as you said, I wanted one and I paid a premium to get it. Don't get me wrong. I would love to get big bucks for mine, but I have not seen it in reality. And I do watch. And you are right...the Italian and even the British seem to get a higher price.

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I got $1,305 for mine on ebay about a year and a half ago. Mine was 60cm, frame, fork & headset only. This one seems cheap.
Wow. Missed that one. Wonder if the size played in. 60cm likely harder to find than those in the "sweet spot"?
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are the bar end shifters original to a team champion?
Nope. I'd have returned the tube shifters to that bike too.
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That's a good, and fair, question Lynn. I'm not really sure. I could be way off base. And biased. But I do remember fender's 13 hunnert , and another that sold a few years ago for a bit more, as I remember. I've also had an offer for mine which, while even a bit more generous, still wasn't enough for me. I don't know. Maybe these are thousand dollar bikes. Maybe not. This bike is sort of the red headed step child in the high end early 70's racer pantheon. Has the certain disadvantage of the "cheesy French bike" stigma associated with lots of bike boom stuff, and certainly doesn't have the name recognition or Italiano cache of a high end Masi, Colnago, etc., ... but I think they're more scarce than many Italian bikes. Do these equal those Italian bikes? I don't presume to say so, no. But in a lot of ways, I think they're just as cool, or cooler. And I think this is the only French bike from that era that applies, if you don't count the Constructeur bikes of course.
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It is rather disappointing when one considers the fit and finish on the CTs is often equal if not better than that of their Italian or British contemporaries. I would say my CT compares very favorably with my 753 Team Pro when it comes to paint and detail. I would say it is superior to the Raleigh Pros.
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Well if that's all they're worth I might as well keep mine too.

Actually mine is later and I suspect not worth as much as the earlier models, but as CV-6 said, the build quality and finish on these is quite high.
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And there's a blue one like yours listed right now, Due Ruote with a BIN of $2200.
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