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Old 04-28-13, 06:03 AM
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Sachs New Success Aris upgrade

Hello! I own a silver 91 Sakae Litage frame/fork with Sachs New Success 8 speed group set. I now live in an area that is not as flat - the word "rolling" does not quite cover it, and my 40+ knees are not as happy with my current configuration. I do have a larger cog on the back but am interested in knowing if anyone has successfully converted Sachs to allow for a triple without spending a fortune. This bike has been hanging indoors and/or used on a trainer. It is quite beautiful.

A couple of years ago I purchased a Veloce 10 speed triple and front DR that are still NIP. I do not see long cage DR in silver often. The Sachs has the Ergo shifters.

Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Years ago I worked PT in a bike shop to support my habit and was able to put the bike together. My cost was well over 1000 US.

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Old 04-28-13, 06:54 AM
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I used to have a Sachs ergo setup. I don't remember if it will handle a triple up front or not. I do, however, have a Sachs Quartz long-cage rear derailleur on my wife's bike that works with the Sachs Ergo that I would trade for a SunTour XC Pro or XC Expert rear. This is my wife's everyday rider, so I'd prefer to do it without any downtime. Let me know if you're interested.

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This is on the auction site- it looks like a cool take on the contemporary Deore XT RD.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-VINTAGE-...19a71&x=54&y=7

I've got nothing to do with the auction.



As an aside- I've been building up my Schwinn Voyageur frame- and I've been playing with the idea of using the Sachs/Huret shifters from my Trek 620- but I couldn't figure out how to mount them- then realized I needed a tabbed washer, not a standard downtube mount, but couldn't remember what I did with the washers... dug through a bunch of bags of junk I was going to throw out- and in there, with a dirty chain were the tabbed washers I needed. I love those Sachs/Huret shifters- they look so cool and they're so much smoother than the Shimano ratcheting shifters.
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Old 04-30-13, 07:20 PM
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Thanks for your posts. I saw the eBay listing before reading your post. I think I will need to take it to a local shop. I may end up having to move the entire group. I have three sizes of cassettes. Lisa
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LisaB,

i know this is an old thread, but did you ever get a satisfactory answer? I would doubt that you need to change the entire shifter/RD/FD/cassette.

The Sachs New Success brifters, made by and very much like Campy 8-speed, will handle a triple FD with no problem, and it won't matter really whose, unlike Shimano brifters. All my Sachs have been triples. I've used them to index 8-speed Shimano cassettes with RD's from Sachs mostly, but they often will work with Shimano RD, too.
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I'm late to this thread, but I'd expect an LBS to do nothing but sell you a new group. If it was mine I'd just start trying to change the cogset and take it from there.

They'll probably try to get you to buy wheels, too.
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Old 06-10-13, 06:37 AM
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Sachs triple question

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LisaB,

i know this is an old thread, but did you ever get a satisfactory answer? I would doubt that you need to change the entire shifter/RD/FD/cassette.

The Sachs New Success brifters, made by and very much like Campy 8-speed, will handle a triple FD with no problem, and it won't matter really whose, unlike Shimano brifters. All my Sachs have been triples. I've used them to index 8-speed Shimano cassettes with RD's from Sachs mostly, but they often will work with Shimano RD, too.
Hi. No, I have looked online on C-list daily looking for vintage bikes that may have old Campy. The triple I purchased is a 10 speed. Do you think that switching to a narrow chain and looking for an 8 speed triple crank would work? I am certainly up for trying it. The bike was very expensive to build and a nice ride.
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Old 06-10-13, 06:39 AM
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Pete, do you still have the RD? Lisa
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I know that the OP owns a triple but the existing derailleurs should be able to handle a compact without any trouble.

Also this thread might be useful: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...riple-Crankset

And this: https://www.bikehugger.com/post/view/...-compact-crank

Also sachs new success can work with shimano: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-compatibility
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Pete, do you still have the RD? Lisa
I do, but I'd need a suitable replacement before selling.
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Originally Posted by LisaB View Post
Hi. No, I have looked online on C-list daily looking for vintage bikes that may have old Campy. The triple I purchased is a 10 speed. Do you think that switching to a narrow chain and looking for an 8 speed triple crank would work? I am certainly up for trying it. The bike was very expensive to build and a nice ride.
Your Sachs New Success front shifter will handle either a double or triple-ring crankset. Since you have an 8-speed cogset in the rear, you will want to run a 7/8 speed chain. The rings on a 10-speed crankset may not be happy with the wide chain. Buying an older triple road crankset off Ebay would be my solution.

The bigger problem could be your rear derailleur; I assume it is a Sachs New Success unit. If it is a short-cage derailleur, it would not have enough chain takeup capability to handle the triple. You would want the long cage version; these show up on Ebay at inflated prices on a regular basis.

BTW: I have 2 sets of stock early 90s New Success Ergopower shifters, obviously made by Campagnolo. They are in no way compatible with Shimano rear derailleurs - not even close. And it has nothing to do with the cassette spacing. However, the Sachs New Success rear derailleurs and shifters are completely compatible with Campagnolo derailleurs from 1992 to 2000. So if you went to a triple crankset, you will be able to substitute a long-cage Campagnolo derailleur from this same vintage.

Finally, only one out of 100 shop mechanics will be able to figure out the deep issues with your drivetrain. Sachs New Success was sold in very small quantities over here, and it has some subtle compatibility issues. Nice stuff though.

And one in 10 shops will be motivated to simply not sell you an entire drivetrain with wheels.

So careful where you take your advice from, and resist any temptation to change a lot of stuff out or to rack up a big bill.
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Thanks. I think i am realizing that I may be better off financially to change out the Sachs crank to another 8 speed triple with long cage RD and longer bottom bracket. What do you think? I'm trying to upload a photo. It is a pretty ride.
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Thanks very much for your advice. I am attaching photo.
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Thanks. I think i am realizing that I may be better off financially to change out the Sachs crank to another 8 speed triple with long cage RD and longer bottom bracket. What do you think? I'm trying to upload a photo. It is a pretty ride.
Great ride and worth updating to your needs. I can't tell from the pics if you have a short or long-cage derailleur. Based on the color scheme, it certainly is a New Success unit - probably a short-cage.

A quick scan of Ebay indicates not a single appropriate long-cage replacement. There are some older Sachs units without the slant-parallelogram design, but these will not index with anything, including your current shifters.

So assuming you are stuck with your current rear derailleur, then you may want to try a compact crankset which has a 34 tooth small ring, and say a 46 to 50 large. Your current derailleur should be able to handle this. Not a current generation compact for 10-speed systems, but something older, cheaper and appropriate for a 7/8 speed chain. I am thinking something like a used Sugino GT or AT set up as a double. Most community or Coop bike shops have large bins of these things. I have about 50 pounds of these arms myself. This SHOULD be $50 in parts and one hour in labor - provided the shop is competent, has the crankarms and if the bottom bracket spindle is reusable. And if the shop is motivated to not just sell you a whole new drivetrain or bike of course.

If you do go to a compact as set out above, make sure to install a shorter (new of course) chain.

If you do replace parts, make sure you get all of your old stuff back. Better you selling the "worthless old stuff" on Ebay for beer money rather than the shop mechanics.
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+1 on replacing the crank with a compact with a 46-50T large ring. No sense in swapping everything just to get some lower gears.
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Old 06-23-13, 10:50 AM
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Thanks, Dave. I will look. I am tempted to sell the entire group.
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Hi. Quick question: would the crank arm length still remain the same at 170?
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