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Old 04-29-13, 09:14 PM
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Anybody know anything about Miele Doral's?

Considering buying this bike. Seller is asking $175.



There are some aftermarket additions I'm not a fan of, but does anybody know anything about Miele Doral's? Possibly what year this bike may be? I literally can't find anything on this bike.
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It really depends on the frame, which is REAL tough to see in that pic. It looks like a chromed fork, which is good, obviously, but I think I'd want to see it better before plunking down my dollars. The company made a lot of department store grade stuff, after Jim sold it.
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I have owned several Miele bicycles, including a Doral or two. Miele bicycles are of Canadian origin, in case that means anything.

The Doral is one of Miele's middle range bicycles, as I recall. The bike is well made and offers a nice enough ride quality. They are not highly collectable at this time but, as a personal rider, should do the job nicely.

Determining How Old Is My Bike? is not all that difficult to do. Have a look at Component Numbers and apply what you learn there. You should come very close to the actual year the bike was made.

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T-Mar is one of the most knowledgeable members on this forum. Based on this previous post by him below, and the fact I think I'm seeing a Tange Infinity tube decal and Exage components in the blurry photo above, I'm guessing it's an 1988 Miele Doral. These were mid-range or slightly better bikes, I'd say, perhaps comparable to a Centurion Le Mans. Price varies a lot depending on market, but $175 would be a fair (maybe even good) price in the bay area if everything is in working order. Less if all the bearings have old grease.

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Based on the Exage Sport and Infinity tubing, the logical candidate would be a 1988 Doral but the frame features don't match. That year, the Doral came in two mono-tone finishes (black and blue), had a chrome fork, two sets of bottle bosses, a pump and top tube cable tunnels. None of the 1987 or 1988 models had internal cable routing. However, by 1988 they all had pump pegs and dual bottle bosses. It's curious that the subject frame has internal brake cable routing (an upgrade over 1988) but lacks the 2nd bottel boss and pump peg (down grades over 1988). I don't have the 1989 catalog, but period advertisements suggests even mid-range models with Columbus tubing still had top tube cable tunnels. This is very curious. If this was my bicycle, I'd be checking out 3 things:
1. dropout manufacturer
2. seat post size
3. removing fork and checking steering column for manufacturer and possible date code.
^Seems to match the CL bike, no?

Btw, looks like the bike above may have a broken top tube cable guide. The rear brake cable seems to be held on by a zip tie. If you want the bike, that may be leverage for negotiating a lower price.
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Originally Posted by randyjawa View Post
I have owned several Miele bicycles, including a Doral or two. Miele bicycles are of Canadian origin, in case that means anything.

The Doral is one of Miele's middle range bicycles, as I recall. The bike is well made and offers a nice enough ride quality. They are not highly collectable at this time but, as a personal rider, should do the job nicely.

Determining How Old Is My Bike? is not all that difficult to do. Have a look at Component Numbers and apply what you learn there. You should come very close to the actual year the bike was made.

The problem is the bike is 3 hours away, so all I've got to go by is the pictures he sends me. I may ask him to take several more today. What concerned me is that I found several old catalogs for Miele, and couldn't find the Doral anywhere. I wondered if maybe this was a sign that the bike started being produced after Jim Miele left the company?

Originally Posted by gaucho777 View Post
T-Mar is one of the most knowledgeable members on this forum. Based on this previous post by him below, and the fact I think I'm seeing a Tange Infinity tube decal and Exage components in the blurry photo above, I'm guessing it's an 1988 Miele Doral. These were mid-range or slightly better bikes, I'd say, perhaps comparable to a Centurion Le Mans. Price varies a lot depending on market, but $175 would be a fair (maybe even good) price in the bay area if everything is in working order. Less if all the bearings have old grease.



^Seems to match the CL bike, no?

Btw, looks like the bike above may have a broken top tube cable guide. The rear brake cable seems to be held on by a zip tie. If you want the bike, that may be leverage for negotiating a lower price.
Nice catch. I didn't even notice the zip tie. Hopefully T-Mar might see this thread and be able to confirm all that. I'm mainly looking to build up a commuter/everyday bike. I miss the feel of my old steel Schwinn. So If this were a 1988 Doral, that would be before the company was sold, correct?
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My ears were burning. Was somebody talking about me?

While it is a dark, non-drive side photo it does indeed appear to be a 1988 Miele Doral, which was an upper entry level sports bicycle, 3rd from the bottom of the line. The decals, frame features, colour and chrome fork are correct for 1988. This would have been the first year for the Doral and when Miele was at the peak of their popularity. As stated in the quoted post, it should be a Tange Infinity frameset with Shimano Exage Sport components but the picture is too dark to be certain. Wheels should be 700C. Obvious upgrades include the Look pedals, handlebar stem and bar tape. The computer, tail light and saddle bag are a nice little bonus. On the downside, you can't really assess the condition from the dark photo, though that does indeed appear to be a zip tie on the center cable tunnel.

Assuming there are no issues outside of the cable tunnel, $175 is fair and would even be considered very good in a large Canadian market like Montreal, Toronto or Vancouver. (Yes, I know, I shouldn't assume the OP is Canadian but probably 80% of Miele were sold in Canada.) A 3 hour drive makes it a risky proposition. I'd be asking for a good overall drive side picture, taken in sunlight, along with detail pictures of the major components and that center cable tunnel. Find out if it has been recently tuned-up or overhauled and whether it has new cables, tires, pads, chain and freewheel. Those are the consumables that often need replacing. Get it in writing that the post and stem aren't seized before you decide on making the trip. Where is it located? Perhaps you could find a fellow forum member who is local and willing to make a preliminary inspection for you.
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Originally Posted by ChrisEeeSee View Post
The problem is the bike is 3 hours away, so all I've got to go by is the pictures he sends me. I may ask him to take several more today. What concerned me is that I found several old catalogs for Miele, and couldn't find the Doral anywhere. I wondered if maybe this was a sign that the bike started being produced after Jim Miele left the company?

What catalog? You need to make sure your looking in the correct catalogs. If you and the bike are in Canada and you looking at US or European catalogs that is a good reason not to find it. Also models come and go it is possible the Doral ran for two years as some kind of TriBike or something and then was dropped or the name changed. Bianchi once had a Talledaga model and of course NASCAR squawked and it lasted about 2 years. Maybe Philip Morris got upset of the Doral name being used on something healthy.



Nice catch. I didn't even notice the zip tie. Hopefully T-Mar might see this thread and be able to confirm all that. I'm mainly looking to build up a commuter/everyday bike. I miss the feel of my old steel Schwinn. So If this were a 1988 Doral, that would be before the company was sold, correct?
$175 plus 3hours driving time, gas, MacDonalds (or Horton's) adds up for Infinity (which I like) and Exage I would pass.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
My ears were burning. Was somebody talking about me?

While it is a dark, non-drive side photo it does indeed appear to be a 1988 Miele Doral, which was an upper entry level sports bicycle, 3rd from the bottom of the line. The decals, frame features, colour and chrome fork are correct for 1988. This would have been the first year for the Doral and when Miele was at the peak of their popularity. As stated in the quoted post, it should be a Tange Infinity frameset with Shimano Exage Sport components but the picture is too dark to be certain. Wheels should be 700C. Obvious upgrades include the Look pedals, handlebar stem and bar tape. The computer, tail light and saddle bag are a nice little bonus. On the downside, you can't really assess the condition from the dark photo, though that does indeed appear to be a zip tie on the center cable tunnel.

Assuming there are no issues outside of the cable tunnel, $175 is fair and would even be considered very good in a large Canadian market like Montreal, Toronto or Vancouver. (Yes, I know, I shouldn't assume the OP is Canadian but probably 80% of Miele were sold in Canada.) A 3 hour drive makes it a risky proposition. I'd be asking for a good overall drive side picture, taken in sunlight, along with detail pictures of the major components and that center cable tunnel. Find out if it has been recently tuned-up or overhauled and whether it has new cables, tires, pads, chain and freewheel. Those are the consumables that often need replacing. Get it in writing that the post and stem aren't seized before you decide on making the trip. Where is it located? Perhaps you could find a fellow forum member who is local and willing to make a preliminary inspection for you.
I really like the frame, so as long as it's quality, I think I'm going for it. Fixing it up will be a fun project during the summer. He also told me over the phone that it was in excellent condition, and this was after he told me about another bike that wasn't in great condition, so I think he's a pretty stand-up guy. I'm definitely going to ask for more pictures today, mostly of all the decals and stickers(Which should tell me if it's Tange Infinity, right?). The potentially broken cable guide is a small bummer, but I can get over that. I really appreciate your, and everyone else's, help identifying this. I'll post more pictures today once I get them, so feel free to stop buy and give some more input.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
What catalog? You need to make sure your looking in the correct catalogs. If you and the bike are in Canada and you looking at US or European catalogs that is a good reason not to find it. Also models come and go it is possible the Doral ran for two years as some kind of TriBike or something and then was dropped or the name changed. Bianchi once had a Talledaga model and of course NASCAR squawked and it lasted about 2 years. Maybe Philip Morris got upset of the Doral name being used on something healthy.
The only Miele catalog I was able to find, haha. It was just labeled as 1980s.

https://www.mytenspeeds.com/My_TenSpe...ele_1980_1.htm
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What catalog? You need to make sure your looking in the correct catalogs. If you and the bike are in Canada and you looking at US or European catalogs that is a good reason not to find it. Also models come and go it is possible the Doral ran for two years as some kind of TriBike or something and then was dropped or the name changed. Bianchi once had a Talledaga model and of course NASCAR squawked and it lasted about 2 years. Maybe Philip Morris got upset of the Doral name being used on something healthy.

$175 plus 3hours driving time, gas, MacDonalds (or Horton's) adds up for Infinity (which I like) and Exage I would pass.
Miele, to the best of my knowledge, was only sold in North America. The USA and Canadian models were the same. It was not like the early 1980s Bianchi.

If the OP lives in a high priced market like Montreal, Toronto or Vancouver, a three hour drive drive often nets savings greater than the cost of gas and food. You just have to undertake the process of due diligence before you make the drive, to mitigate any surprises.
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Originally Posted by ChrisEeeSee View Post
I really like the frame, so as long as it's quality, I think I'm going for it. Fixing it up will be a fun project during the summer. He also told me over the phone that it was in excellent condition, and this was after he told me about another bike that wasn't in great condition, so I think he's a pretty stand-up guy. I'm definitely going to ask for more pictures today, mostly of all the decals and stickers(Which should tell me if it's Tange Infinity, right?). The potentially broken cable guide is a small bummer, but I can get over that. I really appreciate your, and everyone else's, help identifying this. I'll post more pictures today once I get them, so feel free to stop buy and give some more input.
Miele was a full range manufacturer. This one is new enough that it should be Canadian manufactured and not one of the earlier Japanese models. The decal on the upper seat tube should indciate the brand and grade of the tubeset. Inifinity was a double butted, chromium molybdenum tubeset, pretty much the equivalent of Tange #2, except in a more economical seamed verion. A lot of manufacturers cut costs by offering an Infinity main triangle paired with hi-tensile stays and forks. This appears to be the case with the Doral, as the fork material is not mentioned, yet it is stated as being "Cr-moly" on the next model up. I forgot to mention that the claimed weight was 24 lbs.
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The only Miele catalog I was able to find, haha. It was just labeled as 1980s...
The web owner was advised as to the exact vintage of the subject catalogue but has chosen not to post the information. In addition to it, I have several other Miele catalogues, posters and price lists.
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Man you have been beyond helpful. Thanks!

I should get some better pictures from him within the next few hours, so I'll post those once I have them.
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Just found a 1986 Schwinn World Sport in my town for $100. Looks to be mint. I had a 1984 World once, and it was an absolute tank. Any opinions on the Doral vs the WS?
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Just found a 1986 Schwinn World Sport in my town for $100. Looks to be mint. I had a 1984 World once, and it was an absolute tank. Any opinions on the Doral vs the WS?
I'd take the Miele over the Schwinn. It has 700C wheels versus 27" and down tube shifters versus stem shifters. Overall, the components are a step up and the Miele is a claimed 3 lbs lighter.
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Got some more pictures. Also, I asked about the zip tie, and he said it was there for a speedometer, not because the cable guide was broken, so that's a plus.






Looks to be in great condition. Only thing that concerns me is the measurements he recorded. 22 inch seat tube, and a 21.5 inch top tube. At 6'1", I currently ride a 58 cm Specialized Allez, but I've always felt stretched out on that bike, even with the seat pushed all the way forward. Not sure if this frame would be too small or not.

And just to confirm, this bike would have been built before the company was taken over by someone else, right T-Mar? Albeit very small, the Italian connection would still be there?
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Got some more pictures. Also, I asked about the zip tie, and he said it was there for a speedometer, not because the cable guide was broken, so that's a plus.
It's not a plus but it isn't a minus, like we thought.


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Looks to be in great condition. Only thing that concerns me is the measurements he recorded. 22 inch seat tube, and a 21.5 inch top tube. At 6'1", I currently ride a 58 cm Specialized Allez, but I've always felt stretched out on that bike, even with the seat pushed all the way forward. Not sure if this frame would be too small or not.

And just to confirm, this bike would have been built before the company was taken over by someone else, right T-Mar? Albeit very small, the Italian connection would still be there?
It does look to be about 22"/56cm based on the original picture. That frame would be too small for the average proportioned 6'1" person. Most would probably be looking at 60-62cm (center-to-center). It's interesting that you feel too stretched out on the Allez. What's the top tube length (c-t-c)? What's the stem length? Better yet, post a pic of your set-up, along with the measurements.

The founder, Jim Miele was Italian and this frame was built during the era of the original Guvin company. It was probably also designered by an Italian, Guiseppe Ferrara, who worked for Miele in the late 1980s. There were a couple of name changes and reorganizations in the 1990s after financial difficulties and Jim sold the brand to Procycle shortly before he passed away in early 2003. All the Jim Miele era bicycles are considered to have "the spirit of Italy", to quote Miele's own late 1980s advertising copy.
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According to the Specialized website:
Seat-Tube Length, B-B Center to Top: 54.0 cm
Top-Tube Length, Horizontal: 58.2 cm

It's kind of difficult to measure the top tube since it's sloping, but horizontally, I get 56.5 cm from center to center of the axis of the seat tube. Center to center of the seat post, I get 57.2. These could be slightly off if I'm not measuring correctly. I'm starting wear the top tube meets the head tube, and measuring horizontally.

I replaced the original 110 mm stem with a 90 mm. I feel pretty good in the drops. It's mostly reaching for the hoods that feels uncomfortable; I find myself sliding my hands back subconsciously.
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Well I just impulse-bought a Sekai 2000 frame for $100. It's Tange 5, but it's a classy looking frame, and I think it's a good start for my first project bike.




I worry if I'm looking at some rust in the drop outs. I'll figure it out when it arrives though.
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