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Old 05-10-13, 12:08 PM
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Best vintage frames for cross country bike-packing trip?

A friend and I have been talking about doing a bike-packing trip down the west coast to CA, and back to WI(maybe train for part of this). It's getting to the point that I need to start getting a bike together and getting some miles on it, so... I've already got a bike with newer Dura-Ace derailers, decent wheels, and some bar end shifters in the parts bin, so I'm thinking my cheapest option for a nice bike-packing bike is to just swap all of my stuff onto an 80s touring frame and throw some nice, big panniers on it. Any ideas on the most suitable frames?
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Your best bet would be a Miyata 1000 or similar Japanese touring frames from the 1980s made by Panasonic, Lotus, Univega or Shogun. It might be tough finding a nice one in your size, however. I searched for a Miyata 1000 for a long time and could never find a decent one in my size for a fair price, so I ended up buying a new Bob Jackson World Tour directly from England.

Right now, I think your best option would be to buy a new Soma Saga or Surly Long Haul Trucker, whichever one fits you best. They are both very reasonably priced, and perfectly designed for touring.
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pavement only? Or gravel too.

Best Value: Rigid early to mid 1990s mountain bike. Late 1980s works too, but in the 1990s you generally have modern HG freehubs, 135mm spacing, and no u brakes... all the modern amenities.

If you are thinking 700c and road... then the list is huge and everyone will chime in

Miyata 1000, 610
Nishiki Cresta, international, continental, and more
Specialized Expedition
Raleigh aleyeska, portage, etc
Norco Magnum GT
Univega Specialissima
Lotus
Fuji
Schwinn Traveller and others
Trek 720 and 520


just about everyone made on grand touring model in the 1990s, usually with cantilevers exclusively after 1985 and 700c wheels.. pre 1985 you might find caliper brakes and 27" wheels (some even had 27" into the late 1980s)... there are dozens of models out there. These bikes tend to command higher market values because there are smaller numbers of them, not because they make better bike packing bikes. In 58cm and larger they tend to make poor bike-packing bike. They tend to ride like we noodles with big loads and you can hardly stand out of the saddle. They are generally weaker than mountain bikes or modern tig frames, and they suffer from lack of tire clearance and needing to be spread in the rear to accomodate modern wheelsets. Often a 32mm tire with fender is the limit and to me this is inadequate on rough pavement with a heavy load. I would rather a 37... and if I am off pavement with a load I want even bigger.. This mountain bikes offer the best value as a used and vintage bike packing machine.


Lastly, beware the long top tubes on Soma Sagas and Surly LHT, you generally need to size down to make them fit with a drop bar. For example, a typical top tube on a 62cm vintage frame is 58-59cm.. on a surly LHT it is 61cm... actually just looked at the website and it looks like they have revised some of their sizing. It appears they have finally shortened the top tubes.. though they are still on the long side.
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I found a very decent touring bike for a good price locally used, paid $150 for it (I got LUCKY and out hustled another guy to buy it) it needed a good going over but I think the relative obscurity of the brand kept the price down. Luckily for me Kuwaraha made some great bikes, and were actually doing the frame making for several other, sometimes more well known, Japanese companies. In total I've spent under $300 on this bike and I hope to keep it for many years to come. Bad photo of it below.

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If you can't find a suitable vintage frame in time for your trip, may I suggest the Nashbar touring frame and fork? I really like mine. It's aluminum, but not very harsh at all with larger volume tires. The quality is good, it handles great, and will accept any modern group without having to spread the rear stays like on a vintage bike. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, it's a fraction of the price of the other bikes and pretty much shares the LHT geometry if I'm not mistaken. Here's a pic of mine:
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I would shoot for the 90's rigid mtb and maybe do some trekking bars on it. I think it would be a little more rugged and more versatile.
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A friend and I have been talking about doing a bike-packing trip down the west coast to CA, and back to WI(maybe train for part of this). It's getting to the point that I need to start getting a bike together and getting some miles on it, so... I've already got a bike with newer Dura-Ace derailers, decent wheels, and some bar end shifters in the parts bin, so I'm thinking my cheapest option for a nice bike-packing bike is to just swap all of my stuff onto an 80s touring frame and throw some nice, big panniers on it. Any ideas on the most suitable frames?
Vintage MTBs aren't a bad choice but they often lack long chain stays which can be a problem since you will need heel clearance. I own two vintage touring bikes (a Trek 720 and a Melton custom touring bike) and they're pretty fine bikes but if I were going on a long trip, I'd seriously consider a new frame. Some of the older vintage touring bikes, for example, don't accept fat 700c tires and it can be hard to find 700 by 32c to 38c in small towns. The Soma Saga and the Surly LHT are fine choices. If you like the look of vintage bikes, check out orange-velo's campeur frame: http://store.velo-orange.com/index.p...eur-frame.html

If you want to save money, Nashbar makes a good touring bike or you could check out what Bikes Direct has to offer.

In any case, you can't simply swap your parts over from your racing bike. You could but for a number of different reasons this is not optimal for touring. You will want a wider rim that can take a fatter tire and you will want a triple crank.

Edit: the previous poster's suggestion of the Nashbar touring frame is a good one; can't beat a frame and fork for $140 (even less if you buy them on a sale). BikesIsland has some pretty reasonable prices on touring wheels and the like.

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I did this last year with a mid 80s MTB. The bike worked exceptionally well for a 180 mile trip. The only issue I had was getting the bars low enough so it was uncomfortable by the end of the day. My fault for choosing a bike with bull moose bars. This year, I'm trying it with a later 80s MTB with a u-brake. This is probably crazy talk, but I think the u-brake gives you more options since you don't have to work around the brake arms with your pannier set up.

The first bike I tried this with - an early 90s high end Fuji MTB - didn't have long enough chainstays to get the panniers out of the way of my heels. I don't know if this is a common trait of early 90s MTBs, but it's worth noting.

Camera crapped out on me for the trip, so I only have some mid-build pictures.





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Mid to late 80s touring bikes were pretty amazing, but everyone is realizing how nice they were and they usually draw appropriate prices.

Vintage mid-80s to early-90s rigid mountain bikes are probably the best bang for your buck.

You may want to read through the Vintage MTB drop-bar conversion thread for inspiration, they make fantastic touring bikes and general all-rounders:

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ar-Conversions
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Buy a used LHT and sell it when you are done.
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Discussion really starts with budget.

Met a guy this summer biking across the US on a Surly LHT. With his gear, and without water, the bike weighed in at 95 pounds. Incredible.

He was over 60 years young, doing 100 mile days through the mountains of southern Utah.

On a budget? The vintage mtbs are a nice option. I picked up two 1980s Diamond Backs, both had braze ons for front racks. MTB parts and consumables are plentiful.
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80's MTB tend to have freakishly long top-tubes in comparison to a road/touring bike of equivalent height. If you size the MTB frame for equivalent length top-tube of a road bike, the headtube, stem, drop handlebars are going to be really low, not a particularly comfortable position for extended length road ride if you are used to riding road bikes.
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talk to the people that have actually done this in the touring forum.

But the simple answer is that you can do it on anything.

Most vintage touring bikes wont take tires much larger than 32-35mm without a fender. I'd ideally rather have something wider, though I've toured a few thousand miles on 25mm tires. I'd have to air them up every day though to keep from getting pinch flats. Higher volume tires are nicer in that they lose air slower, or at least it seems that way.

So out of the suggestions so far I like a vintage MTB conversion, or a used LHT which isn't vintage.
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For budget I can probably do ~$200-300 for the frame-set. Having a triple is a good point that I hadn't thought of. That isn't really a big deal, though. I can pull the practically new Shimano Deore hollowtech triple off of my mountain bike. I'd think it would be perfectly suitable. I think I could get by with the wheels I have. The rims are Mavic CXP 33s with a recommended tire width up to 28mm. Maybe I'm way off base, but I was hoping putting slightly larger than recommended tire on wouldn't be so terrible.

If I did go MTB frame, I guess one aspect is that would be nice is that it might attract less attention from thieves than a Miyata 1000 or something of that sort. I wouldn't even feel too bad about just spray painting it flat black or something. I actually have a barely used SLX rear derailer in the parts bin that would be right at home on a touring MTB. And I have a wheel-set that might be alright for the task(Deore hubs and OK quality Alex rims.). I'd have to do some more research to see how stout those are before trusting them on such a journey, though.

I might just need frame-set, tires, and drop bar conversion for a touring MTB. I even have some interrupter brake levers for the tops of the drops.
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Some months ago, for a fantasy bike build, I compiled a list of true touring bikes from the 80s, including links to pictures. The model years indicate the years that I definitely found to correspond with the particular model, so any gaps indicate that I did not find an example of that year. Bold type indicates models were preferred by me, but I don't remember my criteria... Enjoy!

[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Specialized
[/TD]
[TD]Expedition
[/TD]
[TD]1984
1983
1984
1983
1984
1984
1985
1983
1983
[/TD]
[TD]http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...6&d=1175353182
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...mer/3Exped.jpg
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...2&d=1247966014
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...mmer/tour2.jpg
http://gallery.agamemnon.unixboxen.n...1/IMG_0386.jpg
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...1&d=1297018824
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6012/...547e6f9e_b.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6047/6...6f1b8927_z.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8475/8...e4140e5b_b.jpg
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Trek
[/TD]
[TD]520
[/TD]
[TD]



1984

[/TD]
[TD]http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/images2/cc211-1Trek1.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b4.../DSC02303a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...8/FILE0132.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c9...d/DSCI2438.jpg
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Miyata
[/TD]
[TD]610
[/TD]
[TD]80s
[/TD]
[TD]http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e...7/P7290006.jpg
http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/...-Converted.JPG
http://lh6.google.com/steve.drucker/...0/IMG_2612.JPG
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e...10canti003.jpg
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...1&d=1228079759
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Univega
[/TD]
[TD]Gran Turismo
[/TD]
[TD]1983
1984
1983
1986
1985
1986







??
[/TD]
[TD]http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z...ic/Univega.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...2/univega1.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/2rvzgb6.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...ker/Unifat.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3529/...2610149c_b.jpg
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...7&d=1302452352
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...t/IMG_5360.jpg
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...4&d=1335416868
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Schwinn
[/TD]
[TD]Passage
[/TD]
[TD]1986
[/TD]
[TD]http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...nsulaII076.jpg
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...7&d=1254751780
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4032/...ce1d570a_b.jpg
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Miyata
[/TD]
[TD]1000
[/TD]
[TD]1985





1989


1982

1982
[/TD]
[TD]http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/...95/image-1.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n.../MIYAT1000.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4021/...85485a76_b.jpg
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/w...a1000002-1.jpg
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...9&d=1301621000
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...6&d=1301621000
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Centurion
[/TD]
[TD]Pro Tour
[/TD]
[TD]1981
[/TD]
[TD]http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...0&d=1151507965
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Motobecane
[/TD]
[TD]Grand Tour
[/TD]
[TD]1986
[/TD]
[TD]http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...3&d=1162129948
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ross
[/TD]
[TD]Gran tour
[/TD]
[TD]80s
[/TD]
[TD]http://www.flickr.com/photos/9142289@N04/908001888/
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Velo Sport
[/TD]
[TD]Everest
[/TD]
[TD]1987





1984
[/TD]
[TD]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b4...0/DSC01960.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b4...0/DSC01970.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b4...0/IMG_0042.jpg
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...3&d=1333260691
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Schwinn
[/TD]
[TD]Voyageur
[/TD]
[TD]1985
1988

1986
1987






1988

??
[/TD]
[TD]http://home.mchsi.com/~bhufford3/85voyageursp1s.jpg
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...9&d=1231462642
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3011/...de33bc47_b.jpg
http://gallery.a-symmetric.com/main....serialNumber=3
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...5&d=1268707150
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...5&d=1300387593
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-I...00/VSP_005.jpg
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Univega
[/TD]
[TD]Specialissima
[/TD]
[TD]80s
[/TD]
[TD]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2..._9913small.jpg
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nishiki
[/TD]
[TD]Cresta
[/TD]
[TD]80s

1983

1982

1985
[/TD]
[TD]http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9985/img1336kp5.jpg
http://i352.photobucket.com/albums/r...g/100_4018.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8433/7...97e35235_b.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-s...8/IMG_0830.jpg
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Miyata
[/TD]
[TD]618
[/TD]
[TD]80s
[/TD]
[TD]http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...9&d=1194814199
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nishiki
[/TD]
[TD]Royale
[/TD]
[TD]80s
[/TD]
[TD]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...hiki_petes.jpg
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lotus
[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]1990
[/TD]
[TD]http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8075/1001706dy8.jpg
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Raleigh
[/TD]
[TD]Alyeska
[/TD]
[TD]1986
1984






1986

1985
[/TD]
[TD]http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o...vesidesm-1.jpg
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3...agarageqo9.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/...7761f9.jpg?v=0
http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/a...a/PB070052.jpg
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...2&d=1311286417
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/b...g/DSC08024.jpg
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nishiki
[/TD]
[TD]Continental
[/TD]
[TD]1984
[/TD]
[TD]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b4...0/DSC02393.jpg
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Miyata
[/TD]
[TD]210
[/TD]
[TD]1984
1985
1985
[/TD]
[TD]http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...8&d=1220966952
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...ata2100072.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...e/DSC00975.jpg
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Trek
[/TD]
[TD]720
[/TD]
[TD]1982

1984
[/TD]
[TD]http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...5&d=1230934958
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3624/...5a3c8e8e_b.jpg
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/P9190026.jpg
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Fuji
[/TD]
[TD]Touring
[/TD]
[TD]1984
19841985
1984
1984
1983
[/TD]
[TD]http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...9&d=1245923031
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...y/DSC02140.jpg
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...7&d=1235015529
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...0&d=1269288644
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...9&d=1270253147
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/...6da1c31b_o.jpg
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...7&d=1302452352
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Panasonic
[/TD]
[TD]Touring Deluxe
[/TD]
[TD]1985
[/TD]
[TD]http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m...c/IMG_2524.jpg
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...9&d=1302452340
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Univega
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[TD]Viva Touring
[/TD]
[TD]80s
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[TD]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3543/...dc86e25d9f.jpg
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[TR]
[TD]Koga Miyata
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[TD]Randonneur
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[TD]1988
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[TD]http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...k/IMG_2762.jpg
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[TR]
[TD]Nishiki
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[TD]Seral
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[TD]1983
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[TD]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3601/...2c98ac57_o.jpg
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[TR]
[TD]Peugeot
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[TD]PX8
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[TD]1980
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[TD]http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9db23b3127ccec751e37f874d00000040O08CZMm7Nq2Zg9vPg4/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/
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[TR]
[TD]Trek
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[TD]620
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[TD]80s
1984
1984
1985
1985

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[TD]http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...0&d=1243942328
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...0&d=1248589625
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2461/...fda797_b_d.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/a...ek620front.jpg
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg193...jpg&res=medium
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Trek
[/TD]
[TD]613
[/TD]
[TD]1981
[/TD]
[TD]http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7...icture202b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2584/...3d3c334e3c.jpg
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Velo Sport
[/TD]
[TD]Alpin
[/TD]
[TD]1982
[/TD]
[TD]http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...4&d=1247609674
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Miyata
[/TD]
[TD]615
[/TD]
[TD]1988
[/TD]
[TD]http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/q...n/DSC02003.jpg
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Trek
[/TD]
[TD]TX700
[/TD]
[TD]1978
[/TD]
[TD]http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...2&d=1269918763
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Kuwahara
[/TD]
[TD]Cascade
[/TD]
[TD]1987
[/TD]
[TD]http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikep...010touring.JPG
http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikep...11cascade5.JPG
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nishiki
[/TD]
[TD]International
[/TD]
[TD]1974
[/TD]
[TD]http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4077/...f186b8efd2.jpg
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Motobecane
[/TD]
[TD]Grand Touring
[/TD]
[TD]1974
[/TD]
[TD]http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4148/...de2ba28fe8.jpg
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Peugeot
[/TD]
[TD]Alpin
[/TD]
[TD]1989
[/TD]
[TD]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_T...0/alpin_05.jpg
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Trek
[/TD]
[TD]728
[/TD]
[TD]1982
[/TD]
[TD]http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c1...0/IMGP2555.jpg
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bridgestone
[/TD]
[TD]T700
[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/DSCN1102.jpg
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Miyata
[/TD]
[TD]700GT
[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/a...t/DSCN1354.jpg
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Schwinn
[/TD]
[TD]Sierra
[/TD]
[TD]1985
[/TD]
[TD]http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6086/...fd5a9097_z.jpg
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Raleigh
[/TD]
[TD]Wyoming
[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...7/IMAG0256.jpg
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...8&d=1327022031
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Raleigh
[/TD]
[TD]Portage
[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/--2s-T6L0IyE/Ts6MlAeVxGI/AAAAAAAAGL8/U6RpSs3XV54/s800/IMG_0481.JPG
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bridgestone
[/TD]
[TD]CB-0
[/TD]
[TD]1990
[/TD]
[TD]http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...3&d=1327866153
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Koga Miyata
[/TD]
[TD]Traveller
[/TD]
[TD]1991
[/TD]
[TD]http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/a...67/photo-1.jpg
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...3&d=1333260691
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Koga Miyata
[/TD]
[TD]Road Gentleman
[/TD]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/...Koga1Small.jpg
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Peugeot
[/TD]
[TD]Le Vagabond
[/TD]
[TD]80’s
[/TD]
[TD]http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ot-Le-Vagabond
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[/TR]
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Wow! Thanks! Guess I know what I'm making my way through for the next hour+...
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I've got a 1983 Univega Gran Turismo that I'm almost done restoring, sorry no pics yet. It's a really nice bike, but there are a few things that might deter experienced tourists. The crankset is geared a bit tall 36-47-53 and has an obsolete BCD of 118mm I think. There is only one water bottle boss, no lowrider fork bosses, and it has 27 inch rims. It does have pretty long chain stays, double eyelets on the fork, and clearance for 27x 1 1/4 tires and fenders. It is very similar to the 1983 Miyata Six Ten in most of the previously mentioned areas. The one exception, is that the Six Ten had a 110mm BCD crankset, so lowering the gearing would be easier. I have some pics of the Six Ten that I sold.


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I think the thing to be aware of is finding frame that is your correct size a nice comfortable fit for you in a better quality touring frame is likely more important than getting the best or a better frame that is one size wrong. All of the above mentioned models are good choices and there are quit few more from the 80's and early 90's that would work nicely for someone on a budget.
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I found a 1984 Peugeot Canyon Express in Minneapolis 6 months ago for $200.00 (live in SoDak).
The only thing I added was a Brooks B-17 and Marathon Plus tires but the Peugeot looked brand new, fresh from Japan, what a lucky find.
I collect Peugeot bikes, but this was made for touring, I am really impressed with this bike, long chain stays, very, very comfortable and the ride is incredible, a fellow BF member has a website that is an Encyclopedia of info:

http://www.mytenspeeds.com/My_TenSpe...SS_2_Intro.htm

The old Mountain bikes are a great option, small tours in the Dakotas make a Mountain Bike Perfect for me. I am from California and a tour down PCH from Washington south to Mexico-San Diego is Awesome...
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zukahn1 and -holiday76 are correct. It should fit and be comfortable. Those parameters are more important than how optimized it is for touring. You can do this on nearly any bike. I did a three-month tour through Europe on a PX-10 racing bike with tubular racing tires and no fenders. I had panniers and handlebar bag, so loaded, it was probably 60 pounds. I don't recommend racing wheels, but I mention it to show the variety of bikes you can use. Now, I'd prefer something like a Raleigh Super Course. Chainstays are reasonably long, and it can accept wider tires than a racing bike.
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Hey-

My buddy who in your area has been searching for the same thing up until recently, his brother gifted him his old touring rig. I asked him what he'd turned up and here are some links that he sent over for me to forward. Hopefully they can be of some use.

Good luck!

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$20.- (Raleigh Crested Butte triple butted frame & fork) - http://madison.craigslist.org/bik/3783347445.html

$100.- (complete rando/touring bike) - http://madison.craigslist.org/bik/3780162765.html

$40.- (new chromed Tange touring fork) - http://madison.craigslist.org/bik/3769199642.html
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Well the Raleigh is OK and the Tange fork is a who cares. The $100 Gillet is a very interesting bike exspecially if even half the stuff stated is true plus it's worth just looking at for C&V guys for the first generation Lark and brakes even if just to look at. Yet I think some dates could be off 10years and I doubt the bikes legend one of the more interesting ones I have read.


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Cyclotoine makes a good point about 1980's tourers-- most of them used standard guage tubing and can get pretty wobbly with a full camping load. I think they make better sport tourers than serious loaded tourers, especially if you're on rough roads and/or carrying a lot of gear.

I have a '92 Trek 520. It's made with Mtb tubing and does not wobble when loaded. It has huge clearances and will take any size 700c tire with plenty of room to spare. I have toured with it but use it mostly for commuting (with 700x42 tires), and find it much quicker than my Mtb commuter.

I think 1980's Mtb's would be great in general, but slow. I've never toured on one and would be interested in folks' opinions on this.

Novara (the REI brand) made an interesting touring bike in the early 1990's, with heavy-guage tubing and 26" tires, sort of a precursor to the LHT. If you could find one of those it probably would not be expensive, but I don't think they made that many.

The main thing is not to worry too much about technical stuff, and just to do it. Many of us have done long tours on less-than-ideal bikes-- gas-pipe clunkers and such.
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Originally Posted by kroozer View Post
Cyclotoine makes a good point about 1980's tourers-- most of them used standard guage tubing and can get pretty wobbly with a full camping load. I think they make better sport tourers than serious loaded tourers, especially if you're on rough roads and/or carrying a lot of gear.
That's a very good point. I'm very pleased with my 1982 Univega Viva Touring, which has straight gauge Cro-moly tubing. I don't tour with it, but I use it for commuting and heavy shopping trips, among other things. I do not get any feeling of undue flex with even the heaviest loads I've carried. One one occasion, a liquor store strike, I transported a total of 66 12-oz beers along with a box of wine and a bottle of whiskey.

All of that was supported by the bike only, no trailer, btw.

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