rootboy 

What do you think? LONG reach? Doesn't look like it to me. Just checking my eyes.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Campagnolo-N...item3382092b7f

JohnDThompson 

Looks like bog-standard pre-CPSC Record brakes to me as well. Great condition, though...

spacemanz

Dang, that's a lot of money, for bicycle brakes. These older side-pulls are tricky though, you almost need to have them in hand, or at least see the reach written somewhere. I have a pair of Modolo Corsa, that look very similar, & they ended up having more reach than they need, even converting from 27" to 700c.

rootboy 

It is hard to tell, without having them in hand. The long reach version seems to command higher prices though, so I question this auction description just a bit. The ones in this auction are the long reach version, for comparison.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Campagnolo-N...item3a810518b5

Oh and, yeah, that's big coin, Spacemanz, but these NOS sets typically sell for a whole lot. nearly double where they are now.
I had a set a few years ago, and kick myself for selling them.

Pars 

I'd agree. The ones in the first post don't appear to be long reach.

due ruote 

I think they're calling them long reach because of the drop bolt. Maybe at least partly a translation issue.

rootboy 

That could be, Due Ruote. Thanks. Sheesh. Just noticed...no cables and poop sheet included.
Not that I can afford these anyhoo.

cyclotoine

It's strange and difficult to tell because the text appears approximately correct. I am not convinced that the ones in the first auction are not the standard pre-cpsc brake which would be the longer reach. The brev. inter. text matches and is position correctly and I usually use that as my gauge.

Citoyen du Monde

Long reach can also refer to the brake levers.

gaucho777 

CdM may be right (as is usually the case) that long reach refers to the levers. Or, as duo route suggests, perhaps seller is using "long reach" loosely because the calipers come with drop-bolts. Or possibly "long reach" is in reference to the asking price.

miamijim

I may have some long reach calipers in the stash, I'll compare them to regular/short reach calipers and report back.

Michael Angelo 

Short Reach Records.

rootboy 

Ah yes, the differentiation because of the early levers. But usually, when the terms long and short are applied to Campagnolo brake sets it refers to the reach of the calipers, pertaining to their application of course.

Responses bring up a number of issues. I think of the long reach Campy caliper as the standard version, Jim, and the short moniker used to differentiate them from the original issue. Could be wrong. Not sure when short reach calipers were first issued.

Cyclotoine may be onto something ID wise, which I hadn't noticed before. On my "standard" caliper sets the stamps read "Brev. Inter.", and on the one set of short reach calipers I have, the stamp reads "Brev. Int." presumable because of the lack of space on the shorter arm.
Probably just a later marking variant as my calipers are later than those in the auction.

repechage

Those are the "regular" reach calipers. Not the right photos to suggest the lever reach. Has the drop bolt. Not cheap, the price of bright and pretty in the box.

rootboy 

So let's see. I think we have 2, maybe 3 votes for "short" reach. And maybe just as many for "long", or standard. Perhaps the only way to know for sure is to measure.

Was the drop bolt ever issued as part of a brake set? Always thought of that as an after/upgrade accessory.

cyclotoine

I have a short reach brev.inter. caliper on my bike that I rode today sitting right behind me. I just realized it moments ago. I had a feeling, but I didn't mention it before because I wasn't sure. I just confirmed my suspicion. On the short reach caliper the Brev.inter. text terminates right at the top of the pad holder section of the arm. On the long standard reach caliper the brev.inter. has about 5-6mm between the terminus and the pad holder section. It is a clearly visible distinction between the front and rear calipers on my frame which has the longer caliper on the front and shorter on the back. These are both pre-CPSC calipers... I was iffy before on my vote, but now my "final answer" is that the calipers in the auction are standard reach (frequently referred to as long reach).

rootboy 

Uh oh. Lost a vote.. You may be right. So tough to tell. They look so squat in the pics.

Michael Angelo 

Brakes???

spacemanz

Hey, that reminds me, that Silca Impero I picked up at the swap meet a few months ago, is branded Bottecchia. And now I own a Bottecchia Professional. It's like my subconscious mind KNEW I needed that pump, way before my conscious mind did.

753proguy

Those appear to be 1969-1977 standard-reach (47-57 mm) calipers, which way too many people refer to as 'long-reach.' The rear has the drop bolt, which is odd. I've never seen NOS ones packaged that way. Someone modified them, I'd wager, but who knows for sure...?

As others have said, you can't be 100% sure without measuring them, but I'm 90% sure they are standard-reach. The space below the 'Brev. Inter' on the arches looks correct for regular-reach. Unfortunately, the seller doesn't show the backs of the calipers. If he did, and there were a bumper on the front brake's arch, that's short-reach, but the very earliest short-reach calipers didn't have a bumper on the front one, and these could potentially be super-early short-ones (circa 1974), so you can't prove it's regular-reach just by a lack of a bumper....

753proguy

Correct, and these are. Earliest version, too.

That's not how the seller worded it, however: 'Long-reach brakeset.' But he is German, so I suppose it could be a language thing.

753proguy

'Brev. Int' is a late version (present on both reach types).

Short-reach calipers were introduced in about 1974, along with the short dropouts.

FWIW, this is quite a valuable brake set.... Japan, Inc. will be bidding, I'd wager.

onespeedbiker

Yes, they are standard reach; here are the short reach as cyclotoine described

753proguy

Regarding price, an NOS GS set sold for $550+ today on eBarf! Nutty. I was hoping to snag it for maybe $125 or so.

If GS brakes now go for that much, holy moly, these brakes should surpass $800? $1000?

Of course, I've also seen NOS GS brakes sell for $150 on eBoo, but not recently.

rootboy 

Holy smokes. I just sold my NOS set of GS brakes for a hunnert bucks. Just box, calipers and levers tho'. From what I've seen, 550 is an anomaly.