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nick22 05-20-13 09:52 AM

Paramount resurrection
 
Just back from the paint shop (D and D cycles in san lorenzo)

Just need to fit a modern BB researched the forum: apparently the taper does not match the shimano sealed BB, but sheldon says it is not an issue as it will not be taken on and off. Rather not go with a phil wood BB as it will not be ridden hard or long

Comments welcome before I proceed thanks

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/w...h_DSC_0115.jpg

shoota 05-20-13 09:55 AM

Use punctuation please, I had a hard time reading that.


Originally Posted by nick22 (Post 15645357)
I just back from the paint shop (D and D cycles in san lorenzo).
I just need to fit (maybe find?) a modern BB. I researched the forum and apparently the taper does not match the shimano sealed BB. However, Sheldon says it is not an issue since it will not be taken on and off. I'd rather not go with a phil wood BB since it will not be ridden hard or long.

Comments welcome before I proceed, thanks.

There that's better :)

Scooper 05-20-13 10:52 AM

Rick at D & D does really nice work.

That looks like a nice project. Is the serial number F71xx?

RobbieTunes 05-20-13 11:25 AM

What taper and huh?

shoota 05-20-13 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 15645767)
What taper and huh?

post #2

nick22 05-22-13 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by scooper (Post 15645605)
rick at d & d does really nice work.

That looks like a nice project. Is the serial number f71xx?

ft120

shoota 05-22-13 09:21 AM

Man that's a beautiful frame!

Henry III 05-22-13 09:21 AM

My brain hurts...what's going and who's on first?

shoota 05-22-13 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by Henry III (Post 15653672)
My brain hurts...what's going and who's on first?

I don't know what's on second.

Scooper 05-22-13 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by nick22 (Post 15653638)
ft120

FT120 doesn't work as a Paramount serial number. F7120 would make it the 20th Paramount frame scheduled for production in June (F) of 1971 (71).

The serial numbers were manually stamped into the dropouts during that period, and sometimes weren't struck squarely.

RobbieTunes 05-22-13 01:13 PM

I still don't get it. What *&^% taper?
TPI? Lunar eclipse?
I see no mention of a crankset.
Is it subliminal?

squirtdad 05-22-13 02:30 PM

To keep peoples heads from exploding, please tell us what crankset you are using, what the current bottom bracket is.

reading between the lines, and swagging a lot, and having been through this recently with an Ofmega (campy clone) crank/bottom bracket, my guess is that you have a campy crankset, which uses a different taper than than what you can get in a shimano cartridge BB. (this is the case the whether it is british or italian thread in my experience)

If it is a vintage campy you also have to be aware that the spindle is not symmetrical, being longer on the crank side.

My recommendation is get a correct ball and cup bottom bracket or go phil wood (which is probably still less than the paint job). I spent a lot of time and some money (tried a miche sealed that looked like it would work but didn't leave chain clearance) coming to this conclusion

I know sheldon says they should work, but notes the it would not be good in higher stress situtions.

I looked at the interface between the shimano spindle and the crank set and the about of crank that was not contacting the spindle was more than I was comfortable with.

nick22 05-22-13 04:31 PM

Serial number is F 7120



Originally Posted by squirtdad (Post 15654991)
To keep peoples heads from exploding, please tell us what crankset you are using, what the current bottom bracket is.

reading between the lines, and swagging a lot, and having been through this recently with an Ofmega (campy clone) crank/bottom bracket, my guess is that you have a campy crankset, which uses a different taper than than what you can get in a shimano cartridge BB. (this is the case the whether it is british or italian thread in my experience)

If it is a vintage campy you also have to be aware that the spindle is not symmetrical, being longer on the crank side.

My recommendation is get a correct ball and cup bottom bracket or go phil wood (which is probably still less than the paint job). I spent a lot of time and some money (tried a miche sealed that looked like it would work but didn't leave chain clearance) coming to this conclusion

I know sheldon says they should work, but notes the it would not be good in higher stress situtions.

I looked at the interface between the shimano spindle and the crank set and the about of crank that was not contacting the spindle was more than I was comfortable with.

Thanks for your patience. You have described the exact situation. I have the original Campy BB and Crank. Sorry for the confusion.

I was hoping to avoid installing the original BB as I did not want to mar the paint job I will need to get my LBS to instal it as they are competent

Thanks again

bikemig 05-22-13 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by nick22 (Post 15655516)
Serial number is F 7120




Thanks for your patience. You have described the exact situation. I have the original Campy BB and Crank. Sorry for the confusion.

I was hoping to avoid installing the original BB as I did not want to mar the paint job I will need to get my LBS to instal it as they are competent

Thanks again

Use the original BB; it's not that hard to do without marring your paint job and it will work right with the crank.

Great looking paint job btw.

squirtdad 05-22-13 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by nick22 (Post 15655516)
Serial number is F 7120




Thanks for your patience. You have described the exact situation. I have the original Campy BB and Crank. Sorry for the confusion.

I was hoping to avoid installing the original BB as I did not want to mar the paint job I will need to get my LBS to instal it as they are competent

Thanks again

afaik There would be no real difference in potential marring between installing hour original BB and installing a cartridge type....both have cups that screw in.

As long as the bb you have is good, use it. Use new ball bearings and really good grease (i like phil....but that is a religious discussion)

Scooper 05-22-13 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by squirtdad (Post 15655611)
afaik There would be no real difference in potential marring between installing hour original BB and installing a cartridge type....both have cups that screw in.

As long as the bb you have is good, use it. Use new ball bearings and really good grease (i like phil....but that is a religious discussion)

This.


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