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Old 05-28-13, 09:01 AM
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Campagnolo C-Record question

I'm trying to build a c record gruppo and I realized that some parts that I bought that were deemed "c-record" are record on velobase. For instance there is only a pista c record BB and I think mine is a record of some sort. In that case is the super record BB better ? I also purchased some vintage ergo's I dunno what year yet but I think it's 92. Should I have gone with downtube shifters ? Also does anyone have an approximate worth for the following list

Nouvo Record Headset
Record BB
Chrorus mono Brakes
C record crankset
C record front and rear derailleur
C record Hubs and 8 sp cassette (on mavic open pro SUP rims)
Ergo Shifters
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Originally Posted by Strickie
I'm trying to build a c record gruppo and I realized that some parts that I bought that were deemed "c-record" are record on velobase. For instance there is only a pista c record BB and I think mine is a record of some sort. In that case is the super record BB better ? I also purchased some vintage ergo's I dunno what year yet but I think it's 92. Should I have gone with downtube shifters ? Also does anyone have an approximate worth for the following list

Nouvo Record Headset
Record BB
Chrorus mono Brakes
C record crankset
C record front and rear derailleur
C record Hubs and 8 sp cassette (on mavic open pro SUP rims)
Ergo Shifters
For values, you would need to post to the C&V valuation forum.

The C Record bottom bracket is similar to the Super Record as both use alloy cups with pressed in steel races. The Spindles are different, Corsa Record being steel but still using the 3/16" bearings. and of course it is narrower than the preceding groups, the crank arm design provides for this change.

Right at the end of the Corsa Record design period, the first ergo shifters arrived, other changes happened, including the the move to a slant parallelogram rear mechanism and a few others. Corsa was gone when Campagnolo changed the crank arm design to one that basically hung on into the 10 speed cassette era.
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Originally Posted by Strickie
I'm trying to build a c record gruppo and I realized that some parts that I bought that were deemed "c-record" are record on velobase. For instance there is only a pista c record BB and I think mine is a record of some sort. In that case is the super record BB better ? I also purchased some vintage ergo's I dunno what year yet but I think it's 92. Should I have gone with downtube shifters ? Also does anyone have an approximate worth for the following list

Nouvo Record Headset
Record BB
Chrorus mono Brakes
C record crankset
C record front and rear derailleur
C record Hubs and 8 sp cassette (on mavic open pro SUP rims)
Ergo Shifters
The quality of a C-Rec and Super Record would be equal (or C-Rec would be better by virtue of better metals and manufacturing techniques) as they were bot top of the line but they are not interchangeable as they are different sizes.

I believe the Corsa/Corse Record name was dropped by the time Ergo and cassette came along.

I agree your post should be the apprasail section and include good pics. The best place to look for actual sale prices is completed Ebay auctions.
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I think most of your questions have been answered. More to the point. If you are trying to build a C-record machine for show than yes you should have bought downtube shifters. If you are riding the bike, you're probably going to enjoy ergo more. If this is a rider, C-record is a poor choice as a rider as the cost to function ratio is perhaps one of the worst of all vintage groups.
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Originally Posted by cyclotoine
I think most of your questions have been answered. More to the point. If you are trying to build a C-record machine for show than yes you should have bought downtube shifters. If you are riding the bike, you're probably going to enjoy ergo more. If this is a rider, C-record is a poor choice as a rider as the cost to function ratio is perhaps one of the worst of all vintage groups.
Outweighed by Styling though, who else would create such beautiful and questionable cranks and fragile but stylish high flange hubs? Or, those tire dimension limiting Delta brakes? The group did set the styling tone for almost all for a long time. As a racer's functional ensemble it was not.
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Originally Posted by repechage
Outweighed by Styling though, who else would create such beautiful and questionable cranks and fragile but stylish high flange hubs? Or, those tire dimension limiting Delta brakes? The group did set the styling tone for almost all for a long time. As a racer's functional ensemble it was not.
Well said and I agree, certainly great for looking at and cruising but not so hot for racing.

To Strickie, in regard to VeloBase remember that is a group effort and if the persons updating the site didn't get around to adding or updating that is the breaks. However you can be sure if Campagnolo made a group called Corsa Record there certainly was a Corsa Record BB. It might simply be a Victory BB in different box with some fancy engraving but CampI made a BB labeled for every crank and group.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
Well said and I agree, certainly great for looking at and cruising but not so hot for racing.

To Strickie, in regard to VeloBase remember that is a group effort and if the persons updating the site didn't get around to adding or updating that is the breaks. However you can be sure if Campagnolo made a group called Corsa Record there certainly was a Corsa Record BB. It might simply be a Victory BB in different box with some fancy engraving but CampI made a BB labeled for every crank and group.
I have seen more than one lower grade level bottom bracket in a Corsa Record box. The Corsa Record BB is best identified by the need for the 3/16" bearings and the aluminum cups. Who knows why Campagnolo felt it was necessary to use 3/16 bearings, when that cup design was used with the Super Record is was to provide room for the pressed on bearing races onto a titanium spindle, not needed for a steel spindle but one would have to ask Valentino why they carried the cups over. (As an aside, for about one year in the early 60's Campagnolo made Record bottom brackets with 3/16" bearings, Smoother? less friction? more contact points certainly. Note really interchangeable with Corsa Record due to the spindle length.)
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Originally Posted by Strickie
I'm trying to build a c record gruppo and I realized that some parts that I bought that were deemed "c-record" are record on velobase. For instance there is only a pista c record BB and I think mine is a record of some sort.
Just because Velobase doesn't show A C-Record Bottom Bracket, doesn't mean there wasn't one; here is a page from the Campy 1988 catalog;

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