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Old 06-25-13, 08:40 PM
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Narhay's 1977 Raleigh Superbe - Almost Done - Page 2

First off, I am guessing on the year and model but it seems about right. The AW Sturmey Archer hub has a date stamp of 77 and the bike has the front generator hub...with no wiring or light. Pulling that one apart might be a project in its own right.

High tensile tubing. Sorry for the poor photos...I took them with my phone quickly instead of getting the slr out...once it had been spiffed up a bit it will get its glamour shots. Bike is pretty filthy but I paid a good price. Free.

Plan is to give it a thorough scrub, upgrade a bit like the rims and get it back into shape with new consumables.

The bike is pretty heavy but I doubt it weighs more than 7 tons. Looks to be mostly original and almost all there.

















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Looks like it will make a fun project. Keep posting as you move forward.
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Nice. It appears someone replaced the original stem with a 60mm extension SR (I have a 10-speed Sprite that originally came with that same stem). I was going to offer up a green hockey stick chainguard from a ladies Sport, but I noticed your bike has the single band clamp instead of the two braze on mounts usually found on the Sports. I have noticed these on Sprites (2 band clamps) Tourists (single), and Space Riders (single). Also, I believe your Dynohub may be mounted on the wrong side. Good luck!
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Sheldon Brown's site has everything you need to know about this bike. One important tidbit: if you take apart the dyno, follow the instruction carefully or the magnets will fail and the hub won't produce electricity any more.
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Thank you for the info. I was also amused by the Japanese sr stem on it and the lack of a chain case. You must have eagle eyes to see the clamp for it.

Regarding the dyno hub...thank you. I am almost positive I would have screwed it up immediately.

I had great ambitions to get this bike cleaned up today and maybe stripped but another Craigslist deal was too good to pass up.
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Could be either a 1977 or 1978 based on the hub date, not that it really matters. BTW it weighs about 3 stone, seeing how it is British. It will clean up and ride just fine, especially for that price.

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A number of Canadian built Raleighs I have aquired have alloy SR stems including the 1983 "sprite" mixte just completed. Did the serial number have an R denoting Canadian manufacture?

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Very nice. Is that a 24" frame? I stumbled across a '74 ladies Superbe about a month ago and it now hangs in the shop awaiting some attention. It too was missing the chain guard. I found a beat up replacement on eBay and am now stuck at finding a decent (not perfect) paint match for it.

The electrics add another dimension to the project. Have fun.
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I think they only came in 21" and 23" in this colour. I would imagine this one is 23" but I haven't measured it. It seems to be a good fit for me but I'll have to raise the seat up. Is the Royal saddle a lesser replacement of the original brooks?
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Not sure on the saddle. Mine came with a very beat up B66. I think there were a number of gradations in the line from Sports to Superbe depending on year and market. 23" frame look right. The larger gents frames seem hard to find.
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The combination of the larger frame and the 26 wheel size is nice on these. They're great bikes.
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Anyone know if the sun rims CR18 rims are direct replacements and could reuse most of the spokes and if so which size of rim?
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The alloy stems started being used in '78 IIRC...
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Anyone know if the sun rims CR18 rims are direct replacements and could reuse most of the spokes and if so which size of rim?
Yes they are, you want the 590 size. Check you spoke count but I believe you have 36 hole front and rear. They come in satin finish or high polish, your choice.

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Originally Posted by wahoonc
Yes they are, you want the 590 size. Check you spoke count but I believe you have 36 hole front and rear. They come in satin finish or high polish, your choice.

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Excellent stuff. I think my LBS has a set of these hoops. I counted on the photo I took and they are indeed 36 hole.

Some of the spoke nipples are rusted. Can just the nipples be replaced or does the whole spoke need replacing? Also, anyone know which size spokes I would need for the rear and front with the generator hub? I can measure of course when I get home but if someone knows offhand I can begin my online search for them. I have a 4 day weekend coming up so some progress on this one will occur.
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Everything cleaned up very nicely, especially the brake calipers. They used to be completely brown. I had to replace two spokes as the previous owner replaced them with too long spokes which poked through the rim tape.

The front dynohub was not spinning freely. I dropped it off at the lbs as I don't want to chance opening it on my own to fix it. If I back off the locknut and the cone, the axle spins freely but then the inner dyno "disk" spins with the outer casing. If I had wires on it this would be a problem. If i tighten it so that it remains in place with the cone and locknuts, it catches as it rotates.

The bottom bracket is in desperate need of repacking. I still need to remove the cotter pins but am having a hard time at it. I will clean the crank and pedals when I do remove them. I live in an townhouse so I might move to the empty park across the street if I attempt the hammer method in respect of my neighbours.

I'm unsure about the gear cable. It looks like it uses cable crimp ends on the cable in the long screw nut and in the shifter. Can I recreate this by cutting the flared bit off of a standard cable end crimp and using it as a cylinder?

Lastly the rims are shot. The rear one has a few dings and a flat spot. The front one is ok, not great. Lots of braking surface wear. I think i will have to replace with the cr18s. I was concerned this might be the case. I have swapped over rims before but the truing and making sure it true both horizontally and vertically true is still a mystery to me. Might have to drop it off at the lbs after swapping the rims unless a bf member wants a 12 pack to show me the ropes.
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Originally Posted by Narhay
I'm unsure about the gear cable. It looks like it uses cable crimp ends on the cable in the long screw nut and in the shifter. Can I recreate this by cutting the flared bit off of a standard cable end crimp and using it as a cylinder?

Lastly the rims are shot. The rear one has a few dings and a flat spot. The front one is ok, not great. Lots of braking surface wear. I think i will have to replace with the cr18s. I was concerned this might be the case. I have swapped over rims before but the truing and making sure it true both horizontally and vertically true is still a mystery to me. Might have to drop it off at the lbs after swapping the rims unless a bf member wants a 12 pack to show me the ropes.
I don't think you can jury rig the shift cable that way. Finding an OEM length Sturmey shift cable might be a trick. There were some replacement units that were not double ended and require the cable to beanchored with a bolt as part of the cable assembly. Sturmey cables are pretty durable, unless you must have fresh housing, just take things apart enough to lube the cable well.

I think you will be really lucky to be able to use the same spokes with the two different mfg. rims. Consider the cross section of the original steel rim.
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Originally Posted by Narhay
Anyone know if the sun rims CR18 rims are direct replacements and could reuse most of the spokes and if so which size of rim?


Yes they are, you want the 590 size. Check you spoke count but I believe you have 36 hole front and rear. They come in satin finish or high polish, your choice.


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Seems as though there is a difference of opinion for the cr18 rims seem to be a popular direct replacement. Could be either.

Any idea if this would work? I can measure the cable tomorrow. The current housing looks like it was chewed up by the crank and the cable itself is rusted.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Cable-Pyramid...14a2098&_uhb=1

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Hi Narhay,
Your dynohub is supposed to feel "notchy" or "clicky" as you can feel the various "Poles" as it turns.
Hang about and I'll grab you some links with info/instructions.
Unlikely your bikeshop will know anything about it if my locals are anything to go by.

Here we go:
Some links to get the creative juices going:
https://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...-Needs-Upgrade
https://www.sturmey-archerheritage.co...pic-111.46.jpg
https://www.gotwind.org/diy/servicing_dynohub.htm
https://reddirtgreen.files.wordpress....-dsc_33151.jpg
https://sheldonbrown.com/dynohubs.html

If you separate the magnets inadvertently from there housing the hub will not work again due to demagnetizing if I remember the speil.
Good luck

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Thank you for those excellent links. It isn't quite so much of an enigma now that is it laid before me. Unfortunately the lbs has my wheel until at least Tuesday. They flip bikes themselves and are more into the vintage stuff so they just might be the right people for the job. We will see.
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Originally Posted by wahoonc
Yes they are, you want the 590 size. Check you spoke count but I believe you have 36 hole front and rear. They come in satin finish or high polish, your choice.

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I'm about to do this. Does anybody know the correct spoke lengths to order? I've measured them myself, but I'd trust your experience more. Here's what it looked like to me: Rear: 277 x 36. Front Left: 284 x 18, Front right: 270 x 18. Do those measurements seem right to you? Thanks!
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Hi Brian. Do you also have the Dynohub on the front? Thanks for measuring.
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Hi Brian. Do you also have the Dynohub on the front? Thanks for measuring.
Yes, I do (obvi, you should turn your front wheel around so that the short spokes go on the right). But this will be my first wheel-building project and I don't fully feel like I know what I'm doing -- so you should probably verify those numbers.

Again, has somebody else replaced the spokes on a Sturmey AW/GH6 combo, and do you have spoke measurements? Thanks!
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Originally Posted by brianinc-ville
I'm about to do this. Does anybody know the correct spoke lengths to order? I've measured them myself, but I'd trust your experience more. Here's what it looked like to me: Rear: 277 x 36. Front Left: 284 x 18, Front right: 270 x 18. Do those measurements seem right to you? Thanks!
There is a chart floating around somewhere...

Unfortunately my Superbe has the 40/32 wheels not the 36 spoke. I am not home at the moment, or I could get you the dimensions for a 36 spoke rear wheel.

I will see if I can find the chart, I think it was on the SA heritage site.

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