Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

What is vintage "lightweight"?

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.
View Poll Results: What is vintage "lightweight'?
>16 lbs
0
0%
16-18
6
5.17%
18-20
16
13.79%
20-22
54
46.55%
22-24
34
29.31%
24+
6
5.17%
Voters: 116. You may not vote on this poll

What is vintage "lightweight"?

Old 06-25-13, 09:01 PM
  #1  
shoota 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
shoota's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Stillwater, OK
Posts: 7,321
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1475 Post(s)
Liked 285 Times in 208 Posts
What is vintage "lightweight"?

I see people say all the time "I love my <insert name here>, it's so light!"
So what's vintage lightweight to you?
(This is meant to be light-hearted so don't get all crazy).

My vote for vintage "lightweight" is somewhere around 18lbs but I could be persuaded I suppose.
__________________
2014 Cannondale SuperSix EVO 2
2019 Salsa Warbird

Last edited by shoota; 06-25-13 at 09:04 PM.
shoota is offline  
Old 06-25-13, 09:18 PM
  #2  
bikemig 
Senior Member
 
bikemig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Middle Earth (aka IA)
Posts: 18,429

Bikes: A bunch of old bikes and a few new ones

Mentioned: 158 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5076 Post(s)
Liked 1,636 Times in 1,076 Posts
I don't think too many vintage racing bikes weighed in at sub 20 lbs. Lugged steel racing bikes weren't light by today's standards.
bikemig is online now  
Old 06-25-13, 09:36 PM
  #3  
Velognome 
Get off my lawn!
 
Velognome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: The Garden State
Posts: 6,248

Bikes: 1917 Loomis, 1923 Rudge, 1930 Hercules Renown, 1947 Mclean, 1948 JA Holland, 1955 Hetchins, 1957 Carlton Flyer, 1962 Raleigh Sport, 1978&81 Raleigh Gomp GS', 2010 Raliegh Clubman

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 93 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 62 Times in 32 Posts
Well, according to the very fancy decal on the down tube, this is "light weight"!!!!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
P1160369.jpg (89.7 KB, 108 views)
Velognome is offline  
Old 06-25-13, 09:40 PM
  #4  
Scooper
Decrepit Member
 
Scooper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Santa Rosa, California
Posts: 10,489

Bikes: Waterford 953 RS-22, several Paramounts

Mentioned: 68 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 622 Post(s)
Liked 41 Times in 35 Posts
If you look at early 70s catalogs from Raleigh, Peugeot, and Schwinn, most derailleur equipped high end 10-speed road bikes were in the 22-24 pound range for a 58 cm frame with 531 tubing, Campy Nuovo Record group, and alloy rims with sew-up tires.

Eighteen pound vintage lightweights are figments of failing memories.
__________________
- Stan

my bikes

Science doesn't care what you believe.
Scooper is offline  
Old 06-25-13, 09:44 PM
  #5  
cb400bill
King Speed Wind
 
cb400bill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Kalamazoo MI
Posts: 19,353

Bikes: Fuji SL 2.1 Carbon Cannondale Synapse Alloy Trek Checkpoint ALR gravel Trek 710 Vintage 531 Steel

Mentioned: 43 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2396 Post(s)
Liked 2,854 Times in 1,734 Posts
The mid 70's Viscount Aerospace Pro was advertised as a lightweight racing bike at 22.7 lbs.

__________________
Be Nice





cb400bill is offline  
Old 06-25-13, 09:51 PM
  #6  
bikemig 
Senior Member
 
bikemig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Middle Earth (aka IA)
Posts: 18,429

Bikes: A bunch of old bikes and a few new ones

Mentioned: 158 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5076 Post(s)
Liked 1,636 Times in 1,076 Posts
I always figured a pro steel racing bike weighed in around 23 lbs give or take a few ounces. I know my team miyata fully built up with top end components probably comes close to pushing 24 lbs but that is a relatively heavy steel pro racing frame.
bikemig is online now  
Old 06-25-13, 09:56 PM
  #7  
shoota 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
shoota's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Stillwater, OK
Posts: 7,321
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1475 Post(s)
Liked 285 Times in 208 Posts
I understand most fully vintage bikes were 22lbs+ but think outside the box. What about a vintage frameset with later components? I personally enjoy seeing older frames built up with newer stuff. Like I said have fun, get crazy!
__________________
2014 Cannondale SuperSix EVO 2
2019 Salsa Warbird
shoota is offline  
Old 06-25-13, 09:57 PM
  #8  
degan
Mote of Dust
 
degan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 785
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 61 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 11 Times in 11 Posts
I think it depends more on you're definition of the word 'vintage'.
degan is offline  
Old 06-25-13, 09:58 PM
  #9  
repechage
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 15,723
Mentioned: 104 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1842 Post(s)
Liked 683 Times in 535 Posts
I am assuming the entry point of a "lightweight" as viewed when most of these bikes were new. under 24 would do it for me, middle range frame size.
repechage is offline  
Old 06-25-13, 09:58 PM
  #10  
gioscinelli 
Senior Member
 
gioscinelli's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Chicago
Posts: 1,245

Bikes: 2012 Moots VaMoots-74 Peugeot Mixtie U018-73 Peugeot U018

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 16 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Steel wrapped with Carbon!

My 95 Cinelli SC with Columbus SLX tubing and chrome weight's 18.5 lb. Now that's equipped with full Campy CF and mavic ksyrium elite wheels. Of course to the vintage and classic aficionado's that's contrary to classic's, but I like it!

__________________
Moots VaMoots 2012-Peugeot Mixte 1974-Peugeot Mixte 1973
gioscinelli is offline  
Old 06-25-13, 10:01 PM
  #11  
repechage
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 15,723
Mentioned: 104 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1842 Post(s)
Liked 683 Times in 535 Posts
Originally Posted by shoota View Post
I understand most fully vintage bikes were 22lbs+ but think outside the box. What about a vintage frameset with later components? I personally enjoy seeing older frames built up with newer stuff. Like I said have fun, get crazy!
A vintage frame with modern components may not be that much lighter if at all, and the difference could well be in the pedals and seat. Many of my vintage tubular wheel sets are lighter than all modern stuff save the big dollar carbon climbing wheels.
repechage is offline  
Old 06-25-13, 10:05 PM
  #12  
cyclotoine
Senior Member
 
cyclotoine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Yukon, Canada
Posts: 8,772
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 108 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 9 Times in 9 Posts
It totally depends on the era.
__________________
1 Super Record bike, 1 Nuovo Record bike, 1 Pista, 1 Road, 1 Cyclocross/Allrounder, 1 MTB, 1 Touring, 1 Fixed gear
cyclotoine is offline  
Old 06-25-13, 10:09 PM
  #13  
shoota 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
shoota's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Stillwater, OK
Posts: 7,321
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1475 Post(s)
Liked 285 Times in 208 Posts
Originally Posted by gioscinelli View Post
My 95 Cinelli SC with Columbus SLX tubing and chrome weight's 18.5 lb. Now that's equipped with full Campy CF and mavic ksyrium elite wheels. Of course to the vintage and classic aficionado's that's contrary to classic's, but I like it!

That's the spirit!!
__________________
2014 Cannondale SuperSix EVO 2
2019 Salsa Warbird
shoota is offline  
Old 06-25-13, 10:12 PM
  #14  
Lascauxcaveman 
Senior Member
 
Lascauxcaveman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Port Angeles, WA
Posts: 7,899

Bikes: A green one, "Ragleigh," or something.

Mentioned: 182 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1577 Post(s)
Liked 467 Times in 274 Posts
Originally Posted by cb400bill View Post
The mid 70's Viscount Aerospace Pro was advertised as a lightweight racing bike at 22.7 lbs.
"Advertised as" is the operative phrase here. I've met a few Viscounts and own a Lambert, I don't think they are quite that light. They're reasonably light, though. Mine's a bit of a frankenbike now, but it tips the scales a tad north of 25 lbs with a Brooks Professional on it.
__________________
● 1971 Grandis SL ● 1972 Lambert Grand Prix frankenbike ● 1972 Raleigh Super Course fixie ● 1973 Nishiki Semi-Pro ● 1980 Apollo "Legnano" ● 1984 Peugeot Vagabond ● 1985 Shogun Prairie Breaker ● 1986 Merckx Super Corsa ● 1987 Schwinn Tempo ● 1988 Schwinn Voyageur ● 1989 Trek 400 ● 1989 Bottechia Team ADR replica ● 1990 Cannondale ST600 ● 1993 Technium RT600 ● 1996 Kona Lava Dome ●
Lascauxcaveman is offline  
Old 06-25-13, 10:17 PM
  #15  
cb400bill
King Speed Wind
 
cb400bill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Kalamazoo MI
Posts: 19,353

Bikes: Fuji SL 2.1 Carbon Cannondale Synapse Alloy Trek Checkpoint ALR gravel Trek 710 Vintage 531 Steel

Mentioned: 43 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2396 Post(s)
Liked 2,854 Times in 1,734 Posts
Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman View Post
"Advertised as" is the operative phrase here. I've met a few Viscounts and own a Lambert, I don't think they are quite that light. They're reasonably light, though. Mine's a bit of a frankenbike now, but it tips the scales a tad north of 25 lbs with a Brooks Professional on it.
Oh, I understand. If you read the small print in the ad pic I posted it states, 19 1/2" frame without toe clips and straps. That is one tiny frame.
__________________
Be Nice





cb400bill is offline  
Old 06-25-13, 10:25 PM
  #16  
Six jours
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 6,401
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Maybe two different topics here.

On one hand, when I hear "vintage lightweight" I assume they're talking about "performance" bikes as opposed to cruisers and Huffys and such.

On the other, I read the OP and figured he was asking "What was considered light weight back in the day".

I voted "18-20" because a "standard" race bike in my day (1980s, for practical purposes) was about 23 pounds but with enough cash you could get down to the sub-20 pound range without a whole lot of trouble. Never mind that few people bothered, because unlike today it was then generally accepted that the rider was the one who made the difference...
Six jours is offline  
Old 06-25-13, 11:28 PM
  #17  
Chombi
Senior Member
 
Chombi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,138

Bikes: 1986 Alan Record Carbonio, 1985 Vitus Plus Carbone 7, 1984 Peugeot PSV, 1972 Line Seeker, 1986(est.) Medici Aerodynamic (Project), 1985(est.) Peugeot PY10FC

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 145 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 14 Times in 14 Posts
I agree about questioning what is vintage.....
My 1985 Vitus Carbone 7 is just short of 30 years old and it's at 17.15 pounds with my lightest (32H GEL280) wheeset on it.

And I can get it down to a much lighter weight (certainly under 17 pounds) if I ever find the correct aluminum Maillard aluminum FW and Stronglight Ti BB on it and put on my CLB compact brakset on it that weighs half of the what the presently mounted Spidel brakeset.
Chombi is offline  
Old 06-25-13, 11:39 PM
  #18  
rat fink
Iconoclast
 
rat fink's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: California
Posts: 3,183

Bikes: Colnago Super, Fuji Opus III, Specialized Rockhopper, Specialized Sirrus (road)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Scooper View Post

Eighteen pound vintage lightweights are figments of failing memories.
This, definitely.
rat fink is offline  
Old 06-25-13, 11:40 PM
  #19  
rat fink
Iconoclast
 
rat fink's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: California
Posts: 3,183

Bikes: Colnago Super, Fuji Opus III, Specialized Rockhopper, Specialized Sirrus (road)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by shoota View Post
I understand most fully vintage bikes were 22lbs+ but think outside the box. What about a vintage frameset with later components? I personally enjoy seeing older frames built up with newer stuff. Like I said have fun, get crazy!

As others have said, you might not be able to do much better, even with top of the line new components. Here is a partial list of actual weights of components I have on a vintage frame that I ride:


- FSA Platinum Pro Ti bottom bracket - 198g
- Zipp 300 crank - 450g
- Kmc DX10SC chain - 261g
- Ultegra 6620 pedals - 318g
- Ultegra 6600 brakes - 332g
- Shimano 600 aero brake levers (without clamps) - 235g
- Dura Ace 7900 DT shifters - 71g
- Dura Ace 7800 rear derailleur - 181g
- Campagnolo Record 10s front derailleur - 105g
- 3T Arx Team stem 130mm - 130g
- Deda Spada quill adapter - 139g
- Thomson shim - 14g
- Easton CT2 seatpost - 162g
- Selle Italia SLR saddle - 147g (tuned - 114g)
- Bontrager RXL cages - 48g
- Elite VIP cage bosses w/ bolts - 23g
- Cockpit with Easton EC70 handlebar, Shimano 600 brake levers, Dura Ace cables, Fizik bar tape - 808g


Extras
- Lezyne Pressure Drive M pump and bracket - 108g
- Night Rider Lumina light - 179g




I haven't weighed the end result yet, but I can think of some vintage components that rival the weights of the parts above.
rat fink is offline  
Old 06-25-13, 11:43 PM
  #20  
bikemig 
Senior Member
 
bikemig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Middle Earth (aka IA)
Posts: 18,429

Bikes: A bunch of old bikes and a few new ones

Mentioned: 158 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5076 Post(s)
Liked 1,636 Times in 1,076 Posts
So where are all the drillium pics?
bikemig is online now  
Old 06-25-13, 11:44 PM
  #21  
Sixty Fiver
Bicycle Repair Man !!!
 
Sixty Fiver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: YEG
Posts: 27,268

Bikes: See my sig...

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 58 Post(s)
Liked 27 Times in 17 Posts
21 and change here... and a fair bit lighter when it is running it's tubular wheels.

Sixty Fiver is offline  
Old 06-26-13, 06:22 AM
  #22  
shoota 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
shoota's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Stillwater, OK
Posts: 7,321
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1475 Post(s)
Liked 285 Times in 208 Posts
Originally Posted by rat fink View Post
This, definitely.
Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
I agree about questioning what is vintage.....
My 1985 Vitus Carbone 7 is just short of 30 years old and it's at 17.15 pounds with my lightest (32H GEL280) wheeset on it.

And I can get it down to a much lighter weight (certainly under 17 pounds) if I ever find the correct aluminum Maillard aluminum FW and Stronglight Ti BB on it and put on my CLB compact brakset on it that weighs half of the what the presently mounted Spidel brakeset.
Apparently not too much of a figment. I'd say approaching 16lbs for a 30 year old bike is pretty darn awesome. I know of a Vitus framed bike that is close to that mark too.
__________________
2014 Cannondale SuperSix EVO 2
2019 Salsa Warbird
shoota is offline  
Old 06-26-13, 06:27 AM
  #23  
RubberLegs
Senior Member
 
RubberLegs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Tampa Bay, Florida
Posts: 1,731

Bikes: 87 Bridgestone 550 (Shocking Electric Metallic Pink)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
My old 79 Schwinn LeTour weighed in at JUST under 30 pounds, and Schwinn BRAGGED about it....Sticker said "1020 SUPER LITE"!!! After ditching the chromed steel hoops and going 700 alloy, she came down to 28ish...STILL not LIGHT in my book but better. Low 20s for vintage is a good goal to shoot for.
RubberLegs is offline  
Old 06-26-13, 06:28 AM
  #24  
Italuminium
Cisalpinist
 
Italuminium's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Holland
Posts: 5,556

Bikes: blue ones.

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Got weigh my ALAN one of these days.
Italuminium is offline  
Old 06-26-13, 06:48 AM
  #25  
T-Mar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 21,224
Mentioned: 567 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3893 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1,371 Times in 998 Posts
"Lightweight" is a generic term used to describe any bicycle utilizing narrow 700c or 27" wheels/tires and generally equipped with derailleurs and dropped handlebars. It makes no distinction to the actual weight of the bicycle. It distinguishs them from the typicaly heavier "middleweight" models with 26" wheels. Originally, the term probably applied to true lightweight bicycles, which were typically racers, but evolved to apply to any bicycle with the general characteristics of a racing bicycle, with a larger and narrower wheel/tire, being the defining characteristic.
T-Mar is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.