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Old 02-24-05, 09:19 AM
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Need opinions...FAST. eBay auction ending soon.

I'm kind of a retro-minded, double-butted, lugged steal, downtube shifter kind of guy...but I'm not mechanic, not by a long shot. I'm certain I could NOT restore a bike; I'd have to pay someone to do it...ALL of it, from painting to refitting.

I've been looking on eBay for framesets that SEEM to be candidates for a restore - at least from my untrained eye. I've asked the proper questions (I think), yet - obviously - there is some leap of faith involved (i.e., a less-than-honest seller). I'm looking to spend around $100.00 for a project frameset, have it repainted professionally (probably by local CycleArt) and then build it up, piece by piece, over some time. It's a bike that I intend to RIDE, not hang on a wall.

Caveat emptor, I know. But...what do you think of this frameset:

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT

Thanks for your input!

P.S. PLEASE don't bid against me on this bike if you think it's a good deal.
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Old 02-24-05, 09:25 AM
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I don't think you can go too far wrong for that kind of money.
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Old 02-24-05, 09:53 AM
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Probably do better at a local garage sale or thrift store for less money.
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To answer your question - It seems a good deal for maybe $125 or so. You get to go find levers, bars, wheels, cables, cranks and pedals which will take some time to do it cheaply. Maybe that's your style - it's a good way to go.The more patient you are, the better deal you shall find. Set a $$ limit and stick to it. Nashbar often has really good deals on components if you watch daily.

In my own personal experience, I have found good steel frames for $25 buy it now, local pickup. Sooner or later you'll see them pop up. Also Garage Sales can't be under-estimated.

After 6 or 7 bikes under my belt, I am now quite choosy and will only pick something up if it's Cheap, and if I can replace something in my stable with a better find. I usually give them away as gifts, like a LeTour I got for free.
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Old 02-24-05, 10:22 AM
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Looks like a great rain bicycle for me.

Thank You. . .

It's my size and I am in Baltimore. . .

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Originally Posted by wildjim
Thank You. . .

It's my size and I am in Baltimore. . .
Wow...nice guy. Maybe you're kidding...which would be a bad joke, even if you were. But, if you're not, I realize that it's a dog-eat-dog world, so knock yourself out. I just didn't expect to find that kind of attitude here, amongst people of like mind.

Really classy, dude.
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Old 02-24-05, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Smokey
Wow...nice guy. Maybe you're kidding...which would be a bad joke, even if you were. But, if you're not, I realize that it's a dog-eat-dog world, so knock yourself out. I just didn't expect to find that kind of attitude here, amongst people of like mind.

Really classy, dude.
Actually I was already looking at this because it's local to me and I need a rain bicycle. I guess it's a free still a free country. But if you really want it so badly then I'll back off as it's not exactly what I want.

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Old 02-24-05, 11:02 AM
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I make no claims to be an expert about Specialized bikes, or about bikes from this "modern edge of vintage" time period, but I'm inclined to agree with Sydney here. If you're in Southern California, you should have no trouble finding a really nice frame for less than what you're looking to pay for it - especially after you factor in shipping. You'll easily spend double that to have CycleArt paint it after that. You are obviously entitled to do what you want, but I'd have to feel very strongly about something to do all of that.

I'm not trying to be contrary, or a jerk here, but I'm going to put my two cents in. I'm not quite understanding your expectation that by bringing an item that's for sale to a group's attention, that you somehow get exclusive bidding rights. Seems quite the reverse to me - that by potentially increasing interest/demand for the item, the final price is likely to be made higher. Also, you seem to be attempting to influence people to the detriment of the seller - something I'm certain you would not appreciate if you were selling an item. I'm saying all this with zero interest in the item, zero knowledge of the seller, and with only the barest of past association with wildjim. At any rate, I'm pretty sure that wildjim is joking, as it would make no sense for him to advertise that he would intend to bid against you.
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Old 02-24-05, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by USAZorro
I make no claims to be an expert about Specialized bikes, or about bikes from this "modern edge of vintage" time period, but I'm inclined to agree with Sydney here. If you're in Southern California, you should have no trouble finding a really nice frame for less than what you're looking to pay for it - especially after you factor in shipping. You'll easily spend double that to have CycleArt paint it after that. You are obviously entitled to do what you want, but I'd have to feel very strongly about something to do all of that.

I'm not trying to be contrary, or a jerk here, but I'm going to put my two cents in. I'm not quite understanding your expectation that by bringing an item that's for sale to a group's attention, that you somehow get exclusive bidding rights. Seems quite the reverse to me - that by potentially increasing interest/demand for the item, the final price is likely to be made higher. Also, you seem to be attempting to influence people to the detriment of the seller - something I'm certain you would not appreciate if you were selling an item. I'm saying all this with zero interest in the item, zero knowledge of the seller, and with only the barest of past association with wildjim. At any rate, I'm pretty sure that wildjim is joking, as it would make no sense for him to advertise that he would intend to bid against you.
No, Zorro...I really apprecaite your input. Looking back, I suppose silence would have been golden here (btw, I'm not certain I want the frame, either....which is exactly why I asked for opinions). I wasn't EXPECTING exclusive bidding rights, as you put it - more requesting them, from like-minded individuals. Sure, as "wildjim" said, it's a free country (whatever that means, exactly), and yes, he's entitled to do whatever he wants (as is everyone). I guess that, had I seen a post from someone who was interested in an item and requested opinions from those more educated, even if I was interested, I would have respected the fact that the other person had "gotten there first".

But that's just me.

Like I said, it's dog-eat-dog, anything goes, free country and all that, blah, blah, blah. So maybe I should just add another layer of skin and deal with it, huh?? I can - and will - do that, of course (what choice do I have?). I just think it's unfortunate.

Plus, I think if "wildjim" WERE kidding, his joke was in bad taste...and I didn't see a smiley. Again, perhaps I'm being a bit hypersensitve here - and Lord knows - I surely don't want this thread to get hijacked into a fairness and morality play, but again, that's just me.

To each his own. It's really not the biggest of my worries, truth be told.
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Old 02-24-05, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Smokey
I surely don't want this thread to get hijacked into a fairness and morality play, but again, that's just me.

To each his own. It's really not the biggest of my worries, truth be told.
Fair enough. Your explanation suits me. Sounds like wildjim wasn't kidding, was actually already looking at it, but isn't desiring to step on your toes if you really decide you want it. Sounds like a classic case of drawing conclusions from insufficient information all the way around. Let's move on.

I cannot stress enough that I am ignorant with regard to Specialized bicycles. This frame could be extremely rare and from their best model ever, and I wouldn't know - simply outside the realm of my fancy. With any luck, T-Mar will weigh in and give us the scoop on this pup. You'll be in a far better position to judge after that. I do know that I have seen quite a few really nice vintage bicycles (at least what I consider really nice) on e-bay from Southern California. Local means not having to pay the e-bay premium for shipping - which translates to more bicycle for the dollar.
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I agree with USAZorro and Sidney on this one. A 1988 Specialized Sirrus was only worth $525.00 US brand new. Consequently, by the time you put a CycleArt paint job into the frame, you could have bought a complete Sirrus, in very good condition.

Frankly, if I was considering a CycleArt paint job and restoration, it would either have to have great sentimental value or a be a high end frame. Generally, buying a frame and building it up, is the worst proposition, from a financial point of view. Add in a paint job and assembly by professionals and things can get very expensive. A project like this is the perfect time to invest in a good manual and a few basic tools, so that you can do the mechanical work yourself. It will be worth the effort in the long run.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
I agree with USAZorro and Sidney on this one. A 1988 Specialized Sirrus was only worth $525.00 US brand new. Consequently, by the time you put a CycleArt paint job into the frame, you could have bought a complete Sirrus, in very good condition.

Frankly, if I was considering a CycleArt paint job and restoration, it would either have to have great sentimental value or a be a high end frame. Generally, buying a frame and building it up, is the worst proposition, from a financial point of view. Add in a paint job and assembly by professionals and things can get very expensive. A project like this is the perfect time to invest in a good manual and a few basic tools, so that you can do the mechanical work yourself. It will be worth the effort in the long run.
Thanks, guys. Funny...I was thinking of doing just that (buying the tools, getting a manual, learning how to do it myself). Also, I've exchanged e-mails with the seller, and he's willing to throw in a few extras, i.e. brakes, seatpost, bb, water bottle cages a couple of saddles, even - all of which look to be in pretty good condition (from what I can see/tell...which is risky, I know). Also, he appears to have some sentimental interest in seeing this frame go to a "good home"; apparently it was his first real bike. BTW, he's been honest and up front with me (again, best I can tell) about the bike's use, condition, and overall value.

For me, I'm not a vintage-phile, or a junker-phile, and I really don't have the time to scour ads, garage sales - or even the Internet - for the World's Best Deal. Even if I DO decide to do the work myself, the frame is gonna need a paint job (CycleArt does offer a "budget" version) and I'm either gonna have to have someone build me the wheels, or buy them already made.

I'm not interested in a top-of-the-line, look-at-me restoration. But I'm also not interested in just some beater bike that I found at a thrift store that might need a TON of attention and skill to "restore" to a safe riding condition. Just a solid, lugged, steel frame on which to build a new-ish recreational, fitness, PR type bicycle. I've put a ceiling on the amount I'm willing to spend, and this bike is one of the few (on eBay) that I've seen that sort of fits the bill.

Still, I take what you guys have to say very seriously - and I appreciate the input. You've all given me some interesting ideas and opinions to chew on. That's exactly what I was looking for.

Thanks!

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"But I'm also not interested in just some beater bike that I found at a thrift store that might need a TON of attention and skill to "restore" to a safe riding condition."

Don't let that keep you out of those places, though - I walk away from bikes due to the wife (SAF) that I'd buy if I were single - often these places get really good bikes that only need tires or a chain or bar tape and a bath. Seriously. Tear-down, clean, rebiuld...like getting a new bike, especially with new wheels ($99 from Harris for decent 27").

Last summer -

Miyata, Kabuki, Bianchi (Jap 1030), Bridgestone, Schwinn loaded with Shimano 600, all passed on 'cause I just couldn't get away with it. All for $10 each.

I did manage a Motobecane and a Paramount, though...
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Smokey, I guess only you can make the decision of what's right for you. There is something to be said for having a respectable bicycle that's yours, and not having to spend a ton of time hunting one down. All I'm pointing out is that you have a pretty good chance of finding something equally as nice, for less than it seems you're likely to put into this. I'd feel kind of guilty to not mention those options, but if you do choose to get it, I think it would be unfair for any of us here to consider you to have made a mistake.

You are the only person who can tell what's going to satisfy you. You are the only person who can place a value on your time, effort, the learning you'll get, and whatever honor you have bound up in things at this point.

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Smokey, I guess only you can make the decision of what's right for you. There is something to be said for having a respectable bicycle that's yours, and not having to spend a ton of time hunting one down. All I'm pointing out is that you have a pretty good chance of finding something equally as nice, for less than it seems you're likely to put into this. I'd feel kind of guilty to not mention those options, but if you do choose to get it, I think it would be unfair for any of us here to consider you to have made a mistake.

You are the only person who can tell what's going to satisfy you. You are the only person who can place a value on your time, effort, the learning you'll get, and whatever honor you have bound up in things at this point.

Good luck.
Thanks again, Zorro. Yours - and others' - input has been most helpful. In fact, I'm probably gonna pass on the bike, based (in part) on the feedback I've gotten here. Call it a more educated choice. I'm really in no hurry; I was GIVEN a bike to ride (by a friend who no longer rides a road bike), so I've got some decent wheels to hold me over. I just may even pop into a thrift store or garage sale (or two).

Thanks, again.

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Originally Posted by colinm
"But I'm also not interested in just some beater bike that I found at a thrift store that might need a TON of attention and skill to "restore" to a safe riding condition."

Don't let that keep you out of those places, though - I walk away from bikes due to the wife (SAF) that I'd buy if I were single - often these places get really good bikes that only need tires or a chain or bar tape and a bath. Seriously. Tear-down, clean, rebiuld...like getting a new bike, especially with new wheels ($99 from Harris for decent 27").

Last summer -

Miyata, Kabuki, Bianchi (Jap 1030), Bridgestone, Schwinn loaded with Shimano 600, all passed on 'cause I just couldn't get away with it. All for $10 each.

I did manage a Motobecane and a Paramount, though...
With a little elbow grease you could probably turn a little profit and keep every fourth one or third one or...
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Asking here for local folks with rigs for cheap isn't a bad idea, either, Smokey. If you were in MSP, you could come take an older '80 Schwinn that'd actually trick out pretty well. Try the BST forum?
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