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'91 Corsa Extra (Eddy Merckx) *possibly* original team issue bike? Advice please

Old 08-05-13, 12:28 PM
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'91 Corsa Extra (Eddy Merckx) *possibly* original team issue bike? Advice please

I have recently had the honour of acquiring a '91 Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra (SLX) in the team Weinmann color scheme. I think (hope/wish) the bike/frame *may* be an original team issue as it has a number hanger and an unusual serial number that starts with an H (yes, I realise this is hardly enough evidence, but hey a guy can dream...). I am awaiting a response from info@eddymerckx.com. I am thinking of touching up or (dare I say) repainting the frame as it has quite a few paint chips/ scratches on it.

What are your thoughts on repainting/ touch-up/ leave it the hell alone? Does anyone know where I can get the color codes (?Ral codes?) in order to match the original colors of the paint?
Do you think this frame could be an original pro-team issue bike or did many of the frames come with number hangers?

The white seat is temporary and the handlebars have since been adjusted to a more aesthetically correct position...
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POST PHOTOS!

Don't touch the paint...this goes double if it's a team bike. Another source to contact is cadre.org. If the serial is out of whack, there is a better chance that it's a team bike.

My 91' team bike has plenty of patina and damage to some decals...I wouldn't dream of touching it up. How do you know it's a 91'?

From cadre.org:

"Sometimes things don't match up -- there are multiple Corsa Extras marked with an H, for instance. Things to figure out as the sample space gets larger. Originally, I thought an S designated a Grand Prix (made of Seven-fifty-three tubing), but has shown up on a variety of other frames clearly labeled as other models."

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POST PHOTOS!

Don't touch the paint...this goes double if it's a team bike. Another source to contact is cadre.org. If the serial is out of whack, there is a better chance that it's a team bike.

My 91' team bike has plenty of patina and damage to some decals...I wouldn't dream of touching it up. How do you know it's a 91'?

From cadre.org:

"Sometimes things don't match up -- there are multiple Corsa Extras marked with an H, for instance. Things to figure out as the sample space gets larger. Originally, I thought an S designated a Grand Prix (made of Seven-fifty-three tubing), but has shown up on a variety of other frames clearly labeled as other models."
Of course - sorry. Give me 10min...
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Number hangers do not always mean they are genuine "team Issue" bikes. Lots of makers in the 80's made "Team Issue Replicas" with number plate hangers....
The number plate hangers, as little an item as they were, does add quite a bit of value to the bikes that do have them........
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
POST PHOTOS!

Don't touch the paint...this goes double if it's a team bike. Another source to contact is cadre.org. If the serial is out of whack, there is a better chance that it's a team bike.

My 91' team bike has plenty of patina and damage to some decals...I wouldn't dream of touching it up. How do you know it's a 91'?

From cadre.org:

"Sometimes things don't match up -- there are multiple Corsa Extras marked with an H, for instance. Things to figure out as the sample space gets larger. Originally, I thought an S designated a Grand Prix (made of Seven-fifty-three tubing), but has shown up on a variety of other frames clearly labeled as other models."
The color scheme, "C" in the non-dive side serial number, 7400 STI's (if original) as well as a catalogue from 90-91...
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i think the paint looks great.
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+1 to the paint, I wouldn't touch it. Do what you can to treat whatever rust is there and just take care of it.
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Originally Posted by sloar View Post
i think the paint looks great.
Yeah, as always it looks better in the photos - but thanks. On paper the color scheme looks like a BAD idea, but I absolutely love it. There more I see it the more I like it. Definitely my favorite Merckx team coor scheme.
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+1 to the paint, I wouldn't touch it. Do what you can to treat whatever rust is there and just take care of it.
Luckily not a spot of rust on her. There is nickel plating under the paint that (in the photo) reflects a dark color that makes it look like rust. I agree, I would not have been able to get myself to repaint her.

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Number hangers do not always mean they are genuine "team Issue" bikes. Lots of makers in the 80's made "Team Issue Replicas" with number plate hangers....
The number plate hangers, as little an item as they were, does add quite a bit of value to the bikes that do have them........
Yeah, I have another Oria Gm 0.0 steel frame that also has a number hanger that definitely was not a team issue bike. I just have not seen many Merckx frames with number hangers.
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Thanks for the photos and WHAT A BEAUTY! Yours looks cleaner than mine, with far fewer chips...there is no need to touch this, it stands on its own.

I have seen replica Merckx team bikes with number hangers, but it wouldn't surprise me if this is the real McCoy either. I'm going to try and find the Merckx factory source that confirmed my provenance and send to you via PM. In the mean time, contact cadre.org.
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One of the reasons I love older bikes are the stories that accompanies them. What makes each bike special is not so much what tubing they are made of, but rather the people who built them, dreamt of owning them, rode them and enjoyed the hell out of them!
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Thanks for the photos and WHAT A BEAUTY! Yours looks cleaner than mine, with far fewer chips...there is no need to touch this, it stands on its own.

I have seen replica Merckx team bikes with number hangers, but it wouldn't surprise me if this is the real McCoy either. I'm going to try and find the Merckx factory source that confirmed my provenance and send to you via PM. In the mean time, contact cadre.org.
Thanks Aaron - look forward to hear from you! I will give cadre.org a go.
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The decals on the front of the fork blades is not something you usually see on non-team issue bikes - but the Team Weinmann bikes I have seen have Columbus decals there instead of EMERCKX decals.

It's a very nice bike, but if touching up the paint makes you like it even better, then I say do it.

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Pretty. Like the Weinmann color scheme. Lots of Merckx bikes had number hangers early on (like my '82 professional) but not so many later models.
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Gorgeous. One of my favorite bikes...
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Fantastic bike! I dream of this stuff and wake up with a hand full of goo. I don't get why someone would even consider a repaint or touch up on a bike (that looks) like this.

Ps That headset (Stronglight right?), I got one on an old Ti Gazelle team bike and I wonder what kind of wrench it would take to disassemble..?

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what's a team issue bike? bike with team color on it?
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Beautiful bike! I agree leave it alone! It is a beauty as is! I have one that has oxidation on the top tube due to sweat while using it on a trainer more tha likely, but would never consider a repaint. The only regret that I have is that I did not get to it faster to save it. Your bike, as is, is definitely a beauty! Isincerely hope that it's a Team Issue, that would be just great for you! All the best!

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Fantastic bike! I dream of this stuff and wake up with a hand full of goo. I don't get why someone would even consider a repaint or touch up on a bike (that looks) like this.

Ps That headset (Stronglight right?), I got one on an old Ti Gazelle team bike and I wonder what kind of wrench it would take to disassemble..?
It is indeed a Stronglight JDX 94 headet. Mine needs to be serviced, but I am still trying to get hold of the special tool/wrench it needs. Another option Chombi suggested was to use a band wrench...
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what's a team issue bike? bike with team color on it?
A bike used by the pro team during racing /training.
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Your paint looks great! I would leave it alone. Mine has plenty of small nicks and touch ups. Doesn't really bother me anymore.

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Your paint looks great! I would leave it alone. Mine has plenty of small nicks and touch ups. Doesn't really bother me anymore.


Is that a number hanger I see?
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If you check out the listings for "Merckx" on Kapaza.be or 2dehands.be, half of the old steel Merckxs' have number hangers. It was an option provided by the Merckx factory that many people chose because a lot of Belgians race their bikes.
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Is that a number hanger I see?
yes.
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