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Old 08-23-13, 02:08 AM
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My family heirloom...vintage Raleigh

Hi, first post, thought it was appropriate for me to post in this section.

I have acquired this bicycle a few years back, 8years I think, had idea of restoring it...life got in the way and 8years later (now) I got it from behind my shed and the restoration has began!

I have been told it is pre-1920 which makes it fairly old I think anyone make suggestions from this image?



History is abit morbid really, but...my grandfather aquired the bike in 1951 when the original owner fell off it having a heart attack and died..was taken into police custody and widower of the man didnt want to see it again so my grandfather who was a police officer at the time used it as a police bike for few years then retired it to his barn where it stood for 40 years!!! Until I got given it



My plans are...not to blast it or paint it, just to seal the rust/patina of the frame (varnish or waxed), as still see original paint, then fix chrome and running gear which is a little seized.
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Old 08-23-13, 04:01 AM
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You have a lot of work ahead of you.
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Old 08-23-13, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Angelo View Post
You have a lot of work ahead of you.
I know! ha! Good fun though, might make it just a fixed gear bike, save aggro with gearing etc but we will see..can you shed any light on its age Micheal?
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It's pre-war II as evident by the top tube shifter and the flat profile fenders. I'd read up on the virtues of Oxalic Acid....enjoy the project, lovely bicycle !
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Thanks! Pre War II, interesting...I know its a lovely looking thing, very big as-well, I cant get on it to ride it oh right never heard of Oxalic Acid before?? Would this be used a kind o detergent for cleaning frame? Are these bikes worth anything in usable condition..not that I would sell it
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Old 08-23-13, 05:14 AM
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Gearing will probably be the least of your problems - those old SA hubs are great! Great find and worth the effort of bringing it back to life. Maybe to celebrate its 100th?
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Should be some numbers on the rear hub. They will clue you in as to the type of hub and the date.

With a bike that old I would do a very careful renovation, not try to make it look like new. Oxalic acid is used to remove rust from painted and chromed surfaces without damaging the paint (usually). Good luck!

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Originally Posted by markk900 View Post
Gearing will probably be the least of your problems - those old SA hubs are great! Great find and worth the effort of bringing it back to life. Maybe to celebrate its 100th?
Definetly worth doing for its 100th birthday, good idea ha
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got some numbers here if anyone can help...

-Below Saddle - 895088
-On rear wheel hub - 3663

1924'ish it seems

1888: 1500
1889: 3200
1890: 5200
1891: 7600
1892: 10500
1893: 13900
1894: 19100
1895: 25300
1896: 32100
1897: 39913
1898: 45981
1899: 54032
1900: 65152
1900: 69868
1901: 77342
1902: 89622
1903: 102954
1904: 112673
1905: 129228
1906: 154917
1907: 183073
1908: 215650
1909: 249081
1910: 285669
1911: 328748
1912: 375693
1913: 427829
1914: 482851
1915: 517198
1916: 545198
1917: 569737
1918: 592473
1919: 621678
1920: 654502
1921: 688291
1922: 738447
1923: 809184
1924: 899465
1925: 998077

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On a bike like this I like to scrub it with linseed oil on fine steel wool or on of those 3m scrubby pads. Let it sit for a bit, then wipe it off.
Sweet bike. Be patient.
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Originally Posted by VintageSomerset View Post
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-On rear wheel hub - 3663
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Any other marks on the rear hub? There should be letters to indicate what 'series' the hub is from. AW starts in 1936, before that there was the K series. Read up on them here.

Yes, bikes like this are worth something when restored. Not a whole lot. We don't talk about valuations here, though; there's another part of the forum for that. Or keep an eye on ebay and craigslist and you'll get an idea what they sell for.
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I would say that it is kind of past the patina stage. I would be tempted to do a full restoration, but it would take a few grand to do right.
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Nice bike with an interesting, if mournful, back story.
On the other hand, one could do worse than to drop dead of a heart attack while riding. A lot of us here are eligible for that now, I think....
Welcome to the forum, and good luck with your project.
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I would say that it is kind of past the patina stage. I would be tempted to do a full restoration, but it would take a few grand to do right.
No way--you don't get "past" patina, you just get deeper and deeper into it--it's kind of like being lost in the woods. ;>)
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No way--you don't get "past" patina, you just get deeper and deeper into it--
That patina looks like it may be getting down to the vicinity of impending structural failure, but kind of hard to tell from this distance.

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Those old Raleigh tubes are thick enough to handle a bit of Patina.

Remove the rust using the least destructive means possible - Oxalic Acid (commonly sold as wood bleach or deck cleanser - you should be able to find this at a professional paint store) is easy enough to use for the smaller parts (after you degrease them that can fit in a bucket. If you have a kiddie pool you can do the whole frame,if not work it over with 000 or 0000 steel wool and a lubricant such as oil, soapy water, glass cleanser. You will be surprised at how well it actually cleans up, you might want to go over the pant and chrome with a polishing compound, but it will remove whats left of the patina. Get all the rust off before you seal it with wax or other removable sealer such as shellac.

You should be able to find enough info about your rear hub (assuming its a Sturmey-Archer) to be able to strip it down and overhaul it at this website: https://sturmey-archerheritage.com/

A before (but after initial wipe down) of my '39 (and yes, the top tube and chain guard were added by an earlier owner)


After cleaning, OA bathing the smaller parts. Now rideable with a new saddle to replace the replacement, new grips, new tires/tubes, new brake pads, new grease, and one new very tiny SA pawl spring. The finish is just wax over the old cleaned up paint and chrome.

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