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Miyata 710...Thoughts? Opinions?

Old 08-24-13, 07:18 PM
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Miyata 710...Thoughts? Opinions?

I recently acquired a Miyata 710...and rode it for the first time today...smooth riding...like it! Now the questions...it is outfitted with Suntour Cyclone with Miyata Cranks. I think these are original...correct? At the same time, I picked up a Miyata 310 that is too small for me, but it had the Shimano Golden Arrow drive train, which I like the looks of.

So...opinions...should I leave the 710 as original as possible? Or put the, to me, "cooler" GA on it?

Also...final question...any thoughts on possibly turning the 710 into a gravel grinder?

Lots of questions...

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Old 08-24-13, 08:13 PM
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1984 I think, sand stone, catalogue here: http://www.miyatacatalogs.com/2007/1...alog-1984.html Pics in the middle, detailed component specs at the bottom.

I've had a couple of these 710s, I'd clean it up and leave it as is ... with a better saddle and tires of course. Gravel grinder? I think you're stuck with 25mm, maybe 28mm slicks, and the geo is that of a "semi-pro" road bike. It's a dependable, nice-quick road rider...not an all-arounder.

It would be a shame to make some frankenbike out of it. My personal opinion.
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Gravel grinder? Forget it. IMHO, the vintage rigid frame mtbs make terrific grinders, and selling this bike can fund a couple of them.
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Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
Gravel grinder? Forget it. IMHO, the vintage rigid frame mtbs make terrific grinders, and selling this bike can fund a couple of them.
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Nice road bike though.
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Lose the wheel reflectors, don't change a thing.

Ride.

Repeat.
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The cyclone is a really nice RD and not that easy to find. It doesn't make a lot of sense to rob the cheaper 310 for a RD for the more expensive 710.
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The Cyclone Mk2 is many times better than the Shimano Golden Arrow and the stock parts on the 710 are of very high quality, this was pretty close to their top of the line road bike.
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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
Lose the wheel reflectors, don't change a thing.

Ride.

Repeat.
Yes sir! :-)

Follow up question...where can I find the 700x23 gum wall tires that came on this bike? All I can seem to find are solid black...
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Originally Posted by daf1009 View Post
Follow up question...where can I find the 700x23 gum wall tires that came on this bike? All I can seem to find are solid black...

Panaracer Pasela tires have a nice reputation. Available in 700x23 in a skinwall with a wire bead and 700x23 skin wall with a kevlar bead as the Tourguard version. They are available from numerous vendors and on Ebay. I had them on my Miyata 312 and countless other bikes. Good affordable tires.

A bit higher up the tire food chain is the Veloflex Master 23. It is available in multiple colors, but if you order it in black, it comes with a gum colored sidewall. These affordable tires are handmade in Italy. I have these on my 85 Trek 770 and think they are awesome.

Others on here have tried 700x23 Challenge Criterium tires. i can't speak of these but many on here swear by them.
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Yes sir! :-)

Follow up question...where can I find the 700x23 gum wall tires that came on this bike? All I can seem to find are solid black...
I have a NOS pair of Miyata Technova tires that originally came on one of their circa '80s bikes. Nice riding tires, I think they are rebranded Paselas, not the tour guard (TG). 23c is a good size, the original Technovas measure across at an amazing 20.5.
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Originally Posted by daf1009 View Post
I recently acquired a Miyata 710...and rode it for the first time today...smooth riding...like it!
Bike looks 100% original. I would re-wrap the bars properly (brown cork or cloth would look nice), get a proper saddle, ditch the reflectors and keep it exactly as is. Your 310 would likely make a better "gravel grinder" than a 710 race bike. Geometry will be more relaxed with more tire clearance.
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After hearing everything...here is the plan...

(1) replace tires and tubes
(2) tear down, clean, rebuild with existing
(3) replace handlebars (a bit narrow for me)
(4) REMOVE REFLECTORS :-)
(5) ride, ride and ride some more...
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Originally Posted by daf1009 View Post
After hearing everything...here is the plan...

(1) replace tires and tubes
(2) tear down, clean, rebuild with existing
(3) replace handlebars (a bit narrow for me)
(4) REMOVE REFLECTORS :-)
(5) ride, ride and ride some more...
Great plan! If I were you, I'd look into some nice Nitto bars. They are expensive, but the quality is top-notch and it would keep with the era and origin of the bike. The Dream is nice with a profile similar to stock and comes in sizes up to 44cm: http://www.rivbike.com/Nitto-Handlebars-s/107.htm
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Originally Posted by seely View Post
Great plan! If I were you, I'd look into some nice Nitto bars. They are expensive, but the quality is top-notch and it would keep with the era and origin of the bike. The Dream is nice with a profile similar to stock and comes in sizes up to 44cm: http://www.rivbike.com/Nitto-Handlebars-s/107.htm
I was thinking some Mustache Bars...no? Just kidding...I have quite a selection of handlebars! I might even have a couple of Cinelli's...hmmm...Italian bars on a Japanese bike...
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I might even have a couple of Cinelli's...hmmm...Italian bars on a Japanese bike...
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Originally Posted by daf1009 View Post
Yes sir! :-)

Follow up question...where can I find the 700x23 gum wall tires that came on this bike? All I can seem to find are solid black...
Compass Bicycles sells excellent Grand Bois and Challenge tires with gum walls:

http://www.compasscycle.com/tires.html

All of these tires have low rolling resistance thanks to supple, high tpi casings. I'd suggest putting on the largest tires from that source that will comfortably fit, then running at moderate pressures for a better ride.
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I just picked up a newer Miyata 914....it didnt have all the original 105 so I made it into a single speed, nice riding bike, I like the geometry!
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Compass Bicycles sells excellent Grand Bois and Challenge tires with gum walls:

http://www.compasscycle.com/tires.html

All of these tires have low rolling resistance thanks to supple, high tpi casings. I'd suggest putting on the largest tires from that source that will comfortably fit, then running at moderate pressures for a better ride.
I have to disagree. I've ridden Miyatas (710, 714, 1200, Pro, Racer, etc.) with 28s, 25s and 23s, I think their narrow stock rims run much nicer on the thinnest tires and allow the bikes to behave in a way that complements their geometry, i.e. frisky but stable. I'd save the larger tires for a touring rig and ride this bike as Eisuke Miyata intended.
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Also...final question...any thoughts on possibly turning the 710 into a gravel grinder?



It depends what you mean by gravel grinder. Miyatas and Univegas can be converted to 650b, and are nice versatile bikes comfortable on rough and dirt roads as well as being fast enough on smooth roads. Most of the Miyatas can handle a 650bx38mm tire, but probably not 650bx42 Hetres.
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Originally Posted by daf1009 View Post
After hearing everything...here is the plan...

(1) replace tires and tubes
(2) tear down, clean, rebuild with existing
(3) replace handlebars (a bit narrow for me)
(4) REMOVE REFLECTORS :-)
(5) ride, ride and ride some more...
FWIW, my '81 710 takes 25s and fenders no problem, and most likely could go to 32s without; granted it's a 27/700c conversion:



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Originally Posted by ironwood View Post
It depends what you mean by gravel grinder. Miyatas and Univegas can be converted to 650b, and are nice versatile bikes comfortable on rough and dirt roads as well as being fast enough on smooth roads. Most of the Miyatas can handle a 650bx38mm tire, but probably not 650bx42 Hetres.
Still, a 710 perhaps *could* be converted to 650b, but given the very short rear end and tight clearance, is it a good candidate? Likely not. I'd much prefer a bike like my Nishiki International or Miyata 610 (pre canti model) over something like my Specialized Sirrus which I would say is more similar geometry to the 710.
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FWIW, my '81 710 takes 25s and fenders no problem, and most likely could go to 32s without; granted it's a 27/700c conversion:



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Top506: I have a 1984 710 that looks very similar to what yours does. I bought it with a 30 tooth freewheel and a short cage Cyclone II RD. No problem shifting up to the 30 but shifting off it is a problem. What sort of long cage RD is that on your bike? Thanks.

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That bike is an '81 painted to look like an '84, as I could get graphics for that year.
The RD is a Shimano Deore LX. The Exage 500 LX is the same mech under different paint; they often can be found cheap.
I'm not surprised to hear of your shifting woes. Most Shimano short cages will swing a 30t, but Sun Tour doesn't like to go much over 25.

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