Actually, it was you who wrote,

And ebay has a category for that, new with defects. It is still new.

So if something is new, it could be is worse condition that used. But if you want to split hairs about who put what scratch on what, knock yourself out.

btw, when you go to the LBS and test ride a bike, do you asked for a discount because now it is used?

A snarky comment from a fellow who seems unable to do the thing he is snarking about.

Awesome.

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Do you get as upset when Ragu comes out with their "New & Improved" sauce?

Thank you. I am glad you saw the sarcasm in my comment. I was afraid you might of missed it. And I did learn my lesson. Only took once.
Awesome!

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I think you're the only one that doesn't seem to get that NOS is rare by nature and that's why we pay more for it. What's so hard to understand about that?

And no, I don't expect a discount for a new bike (or car) because it's been test ridden. That's part of the nature of the beast. There are a set of expectations when buying something that most people test drive/ride.

The term NOS also has a set of expectations that goes with it. It has a specific meaning. It means, unused, in almost as good condition as if it came off the line, but not currently made. That's not the same as new/defective. It's something that's new and has been set aside rather than used. I personally will usually accept something with some dust/grime (from sitting, not use) and maybe a little scuffing from sitting on a shelf, but signs of being mounted, or dings or chips do not count. Technically, scuffs wouldn't be acceptable within the definition, but because I use my things and don't just stare at them, I don't complain about small deviations from the definition.

Just because crappy/greedy sellers misuse the words Mint and NOS doesn't mean they don't have specific meanings. Why is that so hard for you?

+1 NOS should be a rare description, and mean something is new/never installed. Instead, it gets tossed around and put on all kind of used stuff IMHO. Sellers are tempted to exagerate condition to enjoy the 5X premium NOS can bring.

I rarely sell any bike part NOS. The only NOS bike part I sold this year was a set of Suntour barcons, 1971 issue, new in original package.

My tip to anyone who buys NOS on ebay, buyer beware. And myself, a lightly used part looks mighty nice, and costs a lot less.

I like turtles.

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Let's just see what eBay has to say about NOS.

http://s22.postimg.org/4ng9j2spt/nos.png



Now can we stop feeding the trolls?

Seems to me the seller is admitting there is some evidence of use, just not enough??? Huh??? Glad things worked out in the end.

:lol: and I must be a fool because I have so many responses from buyers saying, 'far better than I thought' and so forth. But then again, I always say descriptions exactly as I would want to read them. "never been installed but it is far from pristine, it's got some scratches and bumps". I would rather overstate an imperfection than understate it. I do however have some bidders blocked. I once sold 3 celeste Bianchi pumps with a clear descriptions stating "parts only, battered, beaten, and whipped. Non-working condition". Those are exact terms I used. And I got neutral stating "I wish I would have know they didn't work". my ebay id: wspokes and out of a little over 1000+. I have one neutral. no negs. With this thread...now I need to go back to the prior ebay blocked thread and list him....he's got me thinking about that again.

Buyer beware as always...be informed.

I wound up with a girlfriend when we started talking about a tortoise at the San Francisco zoo.

I like cheese, too.

You're no fool, Pamaguahiker. On the contrary, you're an honest seller. In other words, you'd much rather describe an item honestly, listing every possible defect a person might, or might NOT, see in the photos...rather than try to hide something or maximize your profits by trying to flog something as NOS, when it isn't. Which seems to me is the issue of this thread. Pictures don't tell the whole story. I like to rely on a person's word. But so many sellers are opting out of any sort of written description whatsoever these days. Why? Because they can be held to account. "Look at the pics for condition" . These are the words of a person who is trying to hide something in my view.

Why anyone would want to argue about what the term NOS means is beyond me.

bookmark. I want to read this tomorrow. Carry on.

Yes, he sure had me scratching my head with that statement :)

I guess what he meant was that if it were him, the wear present would be good enough for him to accept as NOS from someone else. I wonder, though...

DD