Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

I want toe clips!

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

I want toe clips!

Old 09-24-13, 10:00 AM
  #1  
Chromeracer
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: London, UK
Posts: 68

Bikes: 80s Faggin, 80s steel Gitane mixte, Pinarello Asolo, 90s Bianchi Pantani, 90s Wilier Alpe d'Huez Elite

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I want toe clips!

I need some help with selecting some vintage style toe clips please!

I have 172.5mm campagnolo super record crank arms with gipemme dual sprint pedals and when I attach standard Christophe toe clips the tip rubs the ground when my feet aren't engaged (when the toe clip cage is under the pedal). This happens even when the bike is at right angles to the ground (i.e. not turning). I'd rather not have toe straps, any ideas?

Any ideas greatly appreciated!
Chromeracer is offline  
Old 09-24-13, 10:04 AM
  #2  
KonAaron Snake 
Fat Guy on a Little Bike
 
KonAaron Snake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 17,117

Bikes: Two wheeled ones

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1217 Post(s)
Liked 198 Times in 113 Posts
That doesn't sound unusual to me.

My advice is to ride with SPDs, or whatever clipless system you like (or even platforms if you prefer), and to toss on the toe clip pedals for pictures.
KonAaron Snake is offline  
Old 09-24-13, 10:19 AM
  #3  
SJX426 
Senior Member
 
SJX426's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Fredericksburg, Va
Posts: 7,707

Bikes: '73 Bottecchia Giro d'Italia, '83 Colnago Superissimo, '84 Trek 610, '84 Trek 760, '88 Pinarello Veneto, '88 De Rosa Pro, '90 De Rosa Professional, '91 Pinarello Montello, '94 Burley Duet, 97 Specialized RockHopper, 2010 Langster, Tern Link D8

Mentioned: 55 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 971 Post(s)
Liked 608 Times in 386 Posts
+1 if that is a problem. I trying to determine if I am going to go back to straps or stick with SPD's. The bike looks great with the peroid correct toe clips and straps, not to mention the pedals, but for riding purposes, the SPD are much better.
SJX426 is offline  
Old 09-24-13, 10:40 AM
  #4  
shoota 
Senior Member
 
shoota's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Stillwater, OK
Posts: 7,292
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1454 Post(s)
Liked 272 Times in 200 Posts
Originally Posted by Chromeracer View Post
I need some help with selecting some vintage style toe clips please!

I have 172.5mm campagnolo super record crank arms with gipemme dual sprint pedals and when I attach standard Christophe toe clips the tip rubs the ground when my feet aren't engaged (when the toe clip cage is under the pedal). This happens even when the bike is at right angles to the ground (i.e. not turning). I'd rather not have toe straps, any ideas?

Any ideas greatly appreciated!
So are you saying that you want clipless pedals? Cause you already have toe clips.
SPD is a great option. So is SPD-SL.
__________________
2014 Cannondale SuperSix EVO 2
2019 Salsa Warbird
shoota is offline  
Old 09-24-13, 10:52 AM
  #5  
fietsbob
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NW,Oregon Coast
Posts: 43,599

Bikes: 8

Mentioned: 197 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7607 Post(s)
Liked 1,309 Times in 822 Posts
Just have to, A) either have a higher BB, B) shorter crank arms , or C) get good at flipping
over the pedals, and inserting your feet, as soon as you start moving .

but yea, double sided Pedals, no toeclips ( MKS Sylvan a current classic) or Spud pedals and Shoes .


back before the takeover of double sided MTB pedals , one more skill set that separated the leaders
and the lap down people, on the cyclocross race circuit,

was the ability to flying remount and flip over your pedals, stuff your feet in the toeclips,
and put the hammer down to the next course obstacle.
in one fast fluid motion..

Last edited by fietsbob; 09-24-13 at 11:02 AM.
fietsbob is offline  
Old 09-24-13, 10:58 AM
  #6  
Chromeracer
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: London, UK
Posts: 68

Bikes: 80s Faggin, 80s steel Gitane mixte, Pinarello Asolo, 90s Bianchi Pantani, 90s Wilier Alpe d'Huez Elite

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I'd rather have toe clips if it's possible. Would half clips be less likely to touch the floor? Has anyone tried integrated pedals and toe clips like the ones that are sold by VP or Raleigh?
Chromeracer is offline  
Old 09-24-13, 11:09 AM
  #7  
fietsbob
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NW,Oregon Coast
Posts: 43,599

Bikes: 8

Mentioned: 197 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7607 Post(s)
Liked 1,309 Times in 822 Posts
My old school cross rig has Lyotard 460D pedals , Fisher doubled toe clips ,
the strap cut and screwed to the ends of the pedal , [mud fell through that way]


My touring rig has old Campag quill pedals , the toe clips have added a ramp

cut out of another sacrificed toeclip , inside to let my toe slide over the front plate ,

then the fact that my shoe soles are rather smooth , the flip and insert was pretty efficient.


The bike has a higher BB too.

Has anyone tried integrated pedals and toe clips like the ones that are sold by VP or Raleigh?
link/pictures?

Last edited by fietsbob; 09-24-13 at 12:17 PM.
fietsbob is offline  
Old 09-24-13, 11:15 AM
  #8  
SJX426 
Senior Member
 
SJX426's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Fredericksburg, Va
Posts: 7,707

Bikes: '73 Bottecchia Giro d'Italia, '83 Colnago Superissimo, '84 Trek 610, '84 Trek 760, '88 Pinarello Veneto, '88 De Rosa Pro, '90 De Rosa Professional, '91 Pinarello Montello, '94 Burley Duet, 97 Specialized RockHopper, 2010 Langster, Tern Link D8

Mentioned: 55 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 971 Post(s)
Liked 608 Times in 386 Posts
I don't think half clips would be any different.
SJX426 is offline  
Old 09-24-13, 11:44 AM
  #9  
repechage
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 15,454
Mentioned: 102 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1734 Post(s)
Liked 615 Times in 477 Posts
Inverted clips scraping the ground is typical on most of my bikes. I just tilt the bike a bit as it comes to the bottom of the stroke a bit and engage quickly.

You might bend the clip a small amount to help it scrape less, but if you ride with street shoes you probably want the extra capacity.
repechage is offline  
Old 09-24-13, 11:48 AM
  #10  
ThermionicScott 
7-speed cultist
 
ThermionicScott's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: CID
Posts: 20,091

Bikes: 1991 Bianchi Eros, 1964 Armstrong, 1988 Diamondback Ascent, 1988 Bianchi Premio, 1987 Bianchi Sport SX, 1980s Raleigh mixte (hers)

Mentioned: 88 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2792 Post(s)
Liked 734 Times in 516 Posts
After I had enough of tilting the pedals for entry and scraping the clips on the ground, I went back to SPDs and life was good.
__________________
Originally Posted by chandltp View Post
There's no such thing as too far.. just lack of time
Originally Posted by noglider
People in this forum are not typical.
RUSA #7498
ThermionicScott is offline  
Old 09-24-13, 11:53 AM
  #11  
Chombi
Senior Member
 
Chombi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,138

Bikes: 1986 Alan Record Carbonio, 1985 Vitus Plus Carbone 7, 1984 Peugeot PSV, 1972 Line Seeker, 1986(est.) Medici Aerodynamic (Project), 1985(est.) Peugeot PY10FC

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 142 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 12 Times in 12 Posts
Half clips might help (unless you have unusually large sized feet that require really long half clips....), as it's usually the tip of the strap eyes that drags on the ground, not the toe portion of the clips.....but then if it does not have the strap and eye, the toe portion might hang low enough to start dragging instead.....I dunno, you just have to try and see....

Last edited by Chombi; 09-24-13 at 12:09 PM.
Chombi is offline  
Old 09-24-13, 12:46 PM
  #12  
due ruote 
Senior Member
 
due ruote's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 7,325
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 765 Post(s)
Liked 252 Times in 174 Posts
Putting straps in might help a bit. You can close the clip up a little and still leave it loose enough for entry/exit. Also it will look much better imo. But yes, they will probably still hit the floor occasionally, more if it's a fixed gear.
due ruote is offline  
Old 09-24-13, 01:03 PM
  #13  
Bandera 
~>~
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: TX Hill Country
Posts: 5,931
Mentioned: 87 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1112 Post(s)
Liked 168 Times in 111 Posts
Originally Posted by Chromeracer View Post
Any ideas greatly appreciated!

It's all about technique, and you will need 'straps.

Make sure you in an appropriate gear.
Pick you dominant leg, straddle the bike.
Rotate your "start" pedal up, insert foot and snug strap.
Look where you want to go. Push "start" foot down smartly while levering self onto the saddle.
Don't look down at you "off" foot.
Use your momentum to coast a few feet, smoothly flip the "off" pedal up, insert foot & proceed.
Tighten off strap or leave loose as conditions dictate.

Done properly there is nothing to drag on the pavement and you are underway in control.
FG starts can wait until the technique is automatic.

-Bandera
__________________
'74 Raleigh Internat'l. '77 Trek TX900 FG. '90 Vitus 979. '10 Merckx EMX3. '13 Soma Stanyan
Bandera is offline  
Old 09-24-13, 01:37 PM
  #14  
Chombi
Senior Member
 
Chombi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,138

Bikes: 1986 Alan Record Carbonio, 1985 Vitus Plus Carbone 7, 1984 Peugeot PSV, 1972 Line Seeker, 1986(est.) Medici Aerodynamic (Project), 1985(est.) Peugeot PY10FC

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 142 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 12 Times in 12 Posts
After some time, you will develop the "muscle memory" and you will not have to look at the pedals and straps to get in. You will instinctively flick the pedals right side up and your feet and hands will eventually just go naturally where they need to go to get in and out of the pedals and to cinch up and loosen the straps as needed...
Now, if you want to take advantage of clips and straps totally, you shouild try them with cleated shoes. They won't feel that dangerous once you mastered getting in and out of the pedals and adjusting the straps......but then you may be tempted to go move on to clipless pedals right after that..... like most here had....
Chombi is offline  
Old 09-24-13, 06:47 PM
  #15  
jimmuller 
What??? Only 2 wheels?
 
jimmuller's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Boston-ish, MA
Posts: 13,300

Bikes: 73 Raleigh Carlton Gran Sport, 72 Peugeot UO-8, 82 Peugeot TH8, 87 Bianchi Brava, 76? Masi Grand Criterium, 87 Centurion Ironman Expert, 74 Motobecane Champion Team, 86 & 77 Gazelle champion mondial, 81? Grandis, 82? Tommasini, 83 Peugeot PF10

Mentioned: 182 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1177 Post(s)
Liked 218 Times in 119 Posts
All my bikes have toe clips and all of them will scrape the ground when inverted. So learn to pick them up quickly and ride with your feet in them like you're supposed to! Really.
__________________
Real cyclists use toe clips.
With great bikes comes great responsibility.
jimmuller
jimmuller is offline  
Old 09-24-13, 08:06 PM
  #16  
John E
feros ferio
 
John E's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: www.ci.encinitas.ca.us
Posts: 20,296

Bikes: 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo; 1960 Capo Sieger (2); 1962 Carlton Franco Suisse; 1970 Peugeot UO-8; 1982 Bianchi Campione d'Italia; 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10;

Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 943 Post(s)
Liked 325 Times in 243 Posts
Originally Posted by jimmuller View Post
All my bikes have toe clips and all of them will scrape the ground when inverted. So learn to pick them up quickly and ride with your feet in them like you're supposed to! Really.
Same here.
__________________
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
John E is offline  
Old 09-24-13, 08:12 PM
  #17  
Bruce Enns
Senior Member
 
Bruce Enns's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 310
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by jimmuller View Post
All my bikes have toe clips and all of them will scrape the ground when inverted. So learn to pick them up quickly and ride with your feet in them like you're supposed to! Really.
+2, and if they touch the ground once in a while .... so what.
Bruce Enns is offline  
Old 09-25-13, 03:40 AM
  #18  
randyjawa 
Senior Member
 
randyjawa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada - burrrrr!
Posts: 10,572

Bikes: 1958 Rabeneick 120D, 1968 Legnano Gran Premio, 196? Torpado Professional, 2000 Marinoni Piuma

Mentioned: 181 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1019 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 744 Times in 458 Posts
For picture taking, I use period correct pedals, straps and traps. For riding I use SPD even though the pedals do not compliment the vintage theme.
__________________
"98% of the bikes I buy are projects".
randyjawa is offline  
Old 09-25-13, 04:20 AM
  #19  
Michael Angelo 
Senior Member
 
Michael Angelo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Hurricane Alley , Florida
Posts: 3,902

Bikes: Treks (USA), Schwinn Paramount, Schwinn letour,Raleigh Team Professional, Gazelle GoldLine Racing, 2 Super Mondias, Carlton Professional.

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 73 Post(s)
Liked 13 Times in 11 Posts
Every bike I own has toe clips and straps. Sometimes they scrap a bit on the ground, yes even the alloy Super Records. Big deal !!!
Michael Angelo is offline  
Old 09-25-13, 04:50 AM
  #20  
rootboy 
Senior Member
 
rootboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Wherever
Posts: 16,756
Mentioned: 88 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 549 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 114 Times in 67 Posts
Originally Posted by randyjawa View Post
For picture taking, I use period correct pedals, straps and traps.
A somewhat unfortunate slip of the keystroke there, Randy.
rootboy is offline  
Old 09-25-13, 05:05 AM
  #21  
SJX426 
Senior Member
 
SJX426's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Fredericksburg, Va
Posts: 7,707

Bikes: '73 Bottecchia Giro d'Italia, '83 Colnago Superissimo, '84 Trek 610, '84 Trek 760, '88 Pinarello Veneto, '88 De Rosa Pro, '90 De Rosa Professional, '91 Pinarello Montello, '94 Burley Duet, 97 Specialized RockHopper, 2010 Langster, Tern Link D8

Mentioned: 55 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 971 Post(s)
Liked 608 Times in 386 Posts
Well the whole configuration is a bit of a trap! Easier to get into than out in a tough situation, sort of a foot trap that you have to squirm out of or do an Artie Johnson impression.
SJX426 is offline  
Old 09-25-13, 05:06 AM
  #22  
Road Fan
Senior Member
 
Road Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Posts: 15,346

Bikes: 1980 Masi, 1984 Mondonico, 1984 Trek 610, 1980 Woodrup Giro, 2005 Mondonico Futura Leggera ELOS, 1967 PX10E, 1971 Peugeot UO-8

Mentioned: 42 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1235 Post(s)
Liked 211 Times in 179 Posts
Originally Posted by Bandera View Post
It's all about technique, and you will need 'straps.

Make sure you in an appropriate gear.
Pick you dominant leg, straddle the bike.
Rotate your "start" pedal up, insert foot and snug strap.
Look where you want to go. Push "start" foot down smartly while levering self onto the saddle.
Don't look down at you "off" foot.
Use your momentum to coast a few feet, smoothly flip the "off" pedal up, insert foot & proceed.
Tighten off strap or leave loose as conditions dictate.

Done properly there is nothing to drag on the pavement and you are underway in control.
FG starts can wait until the technique is automatic.

-Bandera
And, the above works even if you do not snug the strap. I've always found for city riding it's an unnecessary step.
Road Fan is offline  
Old 09-25-13, 05:07 AM
  #23  
Road Fan
Senior Member
 
Road Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Posts: 15,346

Bikes: 1980 Masi, 1984 Mondonico, 1984 Trek 610, 1980 Woodrup Giro, 2005 Mondonico Futura Leggera ELOS, 1967 PX10E, 1971 Peugeot UO-8

Mentioned: 42 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1235 Post(s)
Liked 211 Times in 179 Posts
Originally Posted by SJX426 View Post
Well the whole configuration is a bit of a trap! Easier to get into than out in a tough situation, sort of a foot trap that you have to squirm out of or do an Artie Johnson impression.
This is where not tightening the strap comes in handy. It's not a necessity to have tight straps when you ride, compared to being able to get your foot out readily.
Road Fan is offline  
Old 09-25-13, 05:11 AM
  #24  
rootboy 
Senior Member
 
rootboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Wherever
Posts: 16,756
Mentioned: 88 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 549 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 114 Times in 67 Posts
Ditto that. I used to cinch mine down, when I was 28. Not anymore.
rootboy is offline  
Old 09-25-13, 05:17 AM
  #25  
SJX426 
Senior Member
 
SJX426's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Fredericksburg, Va
Posts: 7,707

Bikes: '73 Bottecchia Giro d'Italia, '83 Colnago Superissimo, '84 Trek 610, '84 Trek 760, '88 Pinarello Veneto, '88 De Rosa Pro, '90 De Rosa Professional, '91 Pinarello Montello, '94 Burley Duet, 97 Specialized RockHopper, 2010 Langster, Tern Link D8

Mentioned: 55 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 971 Post(s)
Liked 608 Times in 386 Posts
I have done both in my early years. I really value the ability to "kick" back on climbing very small inclines! Loose straps are too risky for me to have enough confidence to do it anyway. But I am at a disadvantage as I have never used cleats. I switched to SPD's (SL) before the appreciation of C&V, and really liked the ease of use. Now it is hard to go back. Guess I need to get another pair of shoes for the road so I can do both.
SJX426 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.