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Yes, that game "identify this!" calling Pinarello esperiti

Old 10-01-13, 10:18 PM
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Yes, that game "identify this!" calling Pinarello esperiti


new acquisition—thanks to Thrifty Bill—here: my first Pinarello
always fancied having a Pinarello. finally dream came true.

it's in a pretty beaten-up condition—which i wanted it to be. always more fun to mess with a beaten up pieces.

details:
49cm ST, 51cm TT. italian BB, 27.2mm seatpost, 126mm rear spacing. recessed brake mounts.
3 brake cable bosses on the top of TT, a pair of bottle cage bosses on DT. no FD braze-on on ST.
all-chrome fork with sloped crown. right side chain stay is also chromed. entire frame is chromed under paint.

aesthetics/insignia etc:
3-color gradient over white. i've seen this color combination on some Pinarelli.
head badge "Pinarello, Treviso, MARCA DEP."
DT: "Pinarello" in slab-serif on both sides "Treviso Italia" in the center
the trident panto (or what is it called?) marks found on HT lugs, brake bridge enforcement etc.
no big P/G panto anywhere. maybe earlier than the logo develop or some lower-end specific?
bottom bracket: "PINARELLO" and serial number "GG163"
bottom bracket lugs are kinda 'plain' vs those pointy ones found on higher-ends.
almost illegible Columbus decal on ST—you can see it in the ST pic— MATRIX

thin paint are beaten and being almost gone. chrome has minor surface rusties.

model/year? so this is the Q parts.
some time in '80s guessing from the double alphabet GG in serial#.
"world champion 1984" sticker on DT, at least '85 and on i guess.

AFAIK Treviso: SL, Montello: SLX. Asolo: CroMo. lower et al: Tretubi (tube not specified)
just hard to find WHAT MODEL USED MATRIX TUBING

clue? insights? any corrections?

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bumpidy bump for some identifying help. calling Pinarello experts!!!
many thanks in advance
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no Pinarello love? surprised. pls help me.

*edit*
never mind. i've done some homeworks.
many reliable sources including some old threads on this forum suggest it may not even be possible to pinpoint a specific mode due to crazy variations that Pinarello produced in Mid-'80s.
(i've also been able to access some catalogues circa '85, '87, '89. none of them listed this one.
there are some models w/o the big P/G pantos around '85 - '87, i found)

my best quess is a mid-range work horse model around '85 or '86? (from '87, they begin to have FD braze-ons). not likely a Treviso or an Asolo, i suspect a short-life-span model called 'Cadore'.

something unique about the one i've got here:
1. most CroMo/Matrix tubed Pinarelli seem to take 26.8mm seatpost. but mine is 27.2mm
2. there's a '2nd' pair of bottle cage holes on the ST. not the usual braze-ons. while i was suspecting someone 'customized' it—i wasn't keen on it much, it's actually a not-to-hard-find instances. not just tapped, internally brazed-on. there's female threads taking the bolts inside the holes. some ppl testified having such bottle cages holes on their Pinarelli.

thanks!

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I'd check with Grady (Gomango), he knows the Italian stuff really well.

Internal braze ons? Wow, that is wild. I ass-u-me'd it was a prior owner's attempt at a second bottle cage. Person I picked it up from was no help. Just a four word ad: "Race bike bad paint", and then a tiny picture of it in pieces in her garage. I noticed the multicolor paint scheme, and "Italian" immediately came to mind. She was about 120 miles away, so "local" for me. I call her up, "Does it say anything on the frame?" Her answer, "Lets see, I see some worn letters, P I N A R E L L O." You better believe I launched out of my chair. It actually sat on C/L for a couple of days..... My wife never saw me move so fast.

Seller had a second caller that was planning to come later, "when it was more convenient". Guy had missed a couple of scheduled times already, really PO'ing the seller.

It had a mix of parts on it, Cyclone 7000 crankset and tricolor 600 derailleurs. I think the hubs were Cyclone 7000 as well (they are around here somewhere).

Had it been my size, I would have kept it for sure. The chrome was in better shape than what my Katakura Silk looked like when I bought it.

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well. how lucky i am, then!
what's the odds of a right sized Pinarello x an ignorant owner x not-so-prompt first caller x one diligent C&V enthusiast 120miles away x one lazy bastard just getting a great deal! can't be better than this.

thanks for the tip, Thrifty Bill! will def check with mr. gomango
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Originally Posted by orangeology View Post
no Pinarello love? surprised. pls help me.

*edit*
never mind. i've done some homeworks.
many reliable sources including some old threads on this forum suggest it may not even be possible to pinpoint a specific mode due to crazy variations that Pinarello produced in Mid-'80s.
(i've also been able to access some catalogues circa '85, '87, '89. none of them listed this one.
there are some models w/o the big P/G pantos around '85 - '87, i found)

my best quess is a mid-range work horse model around '85 or '86? (from '87, they begin to have FD braze-ons). not likely a Treviso or an Asolo, i suspect a short-life-span model called 'Cadore'.

something unique about the one i've got here:
1. most CroMo/Matrix tubed Pinarelli seem to take 26.8mm seatpost. but mine is 27.2mm
2. there's a '2nd' pair of bottle cage holes on the ST. not the usual braze-ons. while i was suspecting someone 'customized' it—i wasn't keen on it much, it's actually a not-to-hard-find instances. not just tapped, internally brazed-on. there's female threads taking the bolts inside the holes. some ppl testified having such bottle cages holes on their Pinarelli.

thanks!
My
80's-something Pinarello Treviso has the same bottlecage bolts on the seat tube.
gobs of pics here: http://billbattle.smugmug.com/Catego...3166&k=nHNRs3c

Since it doesn't have the Pinarello logo on the seatstay caps or the fork, it's not a Treviso or from 1985. It could be a Tre Cime from 1987. The Tre Cime used matrix tubing.
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Bottle cage bolts are correct for Pinarello. They are flush on my 88-89 Montello as well. As for the model, I guess bbattle got it with Tre Cime. Never heard if it but then I'm in to Montello's. Here's some shameless pics of mine before and after.



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Thought it might be good to have some pics as found. Looks like I was mistaken, I don't see any Shimano 600 bits:






Kind of looks like a Mountech RD. Wild!

Click through to my before flickr page and you will see some more.
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Originally Posted by bbattle View Post
My
80's-something Pinarello Treviso has the same bottlecage bolts on the seat tube.
gobs of pics here: http://billbattle.smugmug.com/Catego...3166&k=nHNRs3c

Since it doesn't have the Pinarello logo on the seatstay caps or the fork, it's not a Treviso or from 1985. It could be a Tre Cime from 1987. The Tre Cime used matrix tubing.
awesome help and tips. thanks!!!
Tre Cime was not in my found list, so i did some more quick homework based on it.
guess what?

i FOUNT ITTT!
http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/pinarello87/2.jpg

this is it. i am 98% sure it's a 1987 Tre Cime. the details in the photo exactly match except the paint scheme.
tubing material is also mentioned in the catalogue as MATRIX.
exactly same SS cluster, lugs, fork style. no GP pantos on the SS cap, on the fork—looks like the only year with the fact.
found the fork was painted over chrome however.
even the internally brazed bottle cage bosses on the ST were original!

they call the frame "Cadore" in the catalogue. so some earlier study was getting closer somewhat.
2 awesomeness really excite me here, other than its rarity:

1. origin of the model Tre Cime
it was originally designed (and naturally comemorate his win) for Giovanni Battaglin himself,
especially for the climb of Tre Cime di Lavaredo in Giro d'Italia in 1981.
the first Pinarello with triple Campy cranks modified by Pinarello.
sources say the Super Record Gruppo used for Tre Cime in the early years also had GP panto on each element.

2. the Gruppo
originally equipped gruppo for late '80's Cadore frame (including Tre Cime) was Victory.
a lucky coincidence for me. was collecting (=hoarding) Victory/Triomphe stuffs recently.
Victory has been my fav Campy gruppo, from its distinctively 'machinarily light' style aesthetics.
thought one day i'd use it for my first Italian frame, making a bici totale italiana.
all of sudden the parts hunt is like half way done!

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Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
Thought it might be good to have some pics as found. Looks like I was mistaken, I don't see any Shimano 600 bits:
Kind of looks like a Mountech RD. Wild! Click through to my before flickr page and you will see some more.
thanks for the pics, Bill! Suntour on it doesn't look that bad. the monoplaners look delicioso too.

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Bottle cage bolts are correct for Pinarello. They are flush on my 88-89 Montello as well. As for the model, I guess bbattle got it with Tre Cime. Never heard if it but then I'm in to Montello's. Here's some shameless pics of mine before and after.
awesome Montello and lovely restoration! thank you for sharing. the NR/SR pieces are like ever-beautiful, especially with this italian light-weight beauties, IMO
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Originally Posted by Old Yeller View Post
Bottle cage bolts are correct for Pinarello. They are flush on my 88-89 Montello as well. As for the model, I guess bbattle got it with Tre Cime. Never heard if it but then I'm in to Montello's. Here's some shameless pics of mine before and after.



Great job and gorgeous build!
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Great job and gorgeous build!
Thanks all... I can post more pics of the ugly state of condition I got it in but don't want to derail the OP's original question. If requested I will begin a new thread.
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Thanks all... I can post more pics of the ugly state of condition I got it in but don't want to derail the OP's original question. If requested I will begin a new thread.
oh. please feel free to derail, question has been answered anyway.
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Thanks for posting this thread! I just bought one tonight for less than $175 as a complete bike but without any of the original components as listed. The paint is horrible, which is why I purchased it! A third winter/spring project.
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Originally Posted by Old Yeller View Post
Bottle cage bolts are correct for Pinarello. They are flush on my 88-89 Montello as well. As for the model, I guess bbattle got it with Tre Cime. Never heard if it but then I'm in to Montello's. Here's some shameless pics of mine before and after.



What's the chain you have there?
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What's the chain you have there?
The chain is late 80's Regina CX with the assymetrical side plates. It didn't shift as well as the new SRAM so I am currently using SRAM. I'm hanging on to the Regina for a while so I can sell it for $100000 and retire someday. ��
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Oki Yeller,
Good work on clean up/restoration! Now that I am a Pin owner, I need to learn more about it. VeloCals has decals for them but what about head badges. Is yours a decal or a plate?
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Isn't this one of the Alexi Grewal tri-color paint jobs? The paint job looks to be a tri-color or spumoni like the one that Grewal rode to a gold medal in 84: http://cyclingart.blogspot.com/2009/...gnificant.html also http://forums.roadbikereview.com/pin...cs-117165.html

Those bikes were smoking hot. We had one or two in the shop where I worked.
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My bike has a riveted metal head badge.
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I have this bikes twin. Sorry for the none drive side picture.
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My research a few years ago pointed to a 1986. I posted pictures here.http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...t=#post9545072

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Great find! Get her to a good painter & build her up right!
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Great find, restore that bike.
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