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Got me a 46~47 Schwinn Paramount

Old 11-01-13, 02:59 PM
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Got me a 46~47 Schwinn Paramount

Gosh, talk about an impulse buy...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/130851167738...84.m1439.l2648

At first I'll just build it so I can ride it, as finding the right parts at a reasonable price () will take time. However, what were the right parts for this bike?

For starters I'll find me a set lookalike track hubs to build a wheel set on wood rims. First question; a lot of the current wood rims are sold in 28" size, which I'm guessing is 635mm, ISO 700B? Is this the correct tire for this bike?
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From the 1948 catalog, for the paramount racer:


Optional best grade laminated wood rims or Schwinn S-12, 27" x 1" extruded Dural rims for tubular tires. Schwinn S-10 extruded dural 27" x 1" special for Puff road racing tire.
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As far as I know, the early ones all used the same, Schwinn made Paramount parts until the transition to the Nervex style frames. They can be found on ebay at times. Via Cycles in Philadelphia has many of those parts, but they won't come cheap. I finally found the last missing piece for mine there.

There is a repro Schwinn catalog available that shows all the parts. Might try velo-retro.com to purchase, or someone here has posted the pages before.
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Originally Posted by abdon View Post
For starters I'll find me a set lookalike track hubs to build a wheel set on wood rims. First question; a lot of the current wood rims are sold in 28" size, which I'm guessing is 635mm, ISO 700B? Is this the correct tire for this bike?
No. It is equivalent to the 700C, 622mm rims. That has been the size for tubulars for 100ish years. Other than the 650 tubular for a funny bike and a 24" tubular for wheelchairs and a weird size Cino Cinelli liked but never was adopted, that's it. There is no such thing as a 27" tubular.
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I built a similar vintage for everyday use, used modern running gear with vintage bars, brakes etc. Looks proper and I can use it everyday without any anxiety. It's a lot of fun and other cyclist seem to get a kick out of it too. Good luck with it and post some pictures when it's built up.
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Curtis Odom Track Hubs, and Ghisallo Wood rims would be a great start.
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Curtis Odom Track Hubs, and Ghisallo Wood rims would be a great start.
That frameset is most likely 90mm front fork OLD spacing, and the rear track ends 110mm OLD spacing. That's what they would be for the original Schwinn Paramount high flange hubs. Curtis Odom's hubs are beautiful, but when I last checked they were only available in 100mm front, 120mm rear spacing. Here are the dimensions of the Schwinn hubs as I measured them to get spoke lengths for the Ghisallo wood rims.



Here is the 1948 Paramount Racer spec sheet, and the specs should be the same for the 46~47 bikes. Schwinn and many other manufacturers erroneously called 622mm (700) tubular rims '27" tubular' as IAB says. The frames were built with either Accles & Pollock seamless chromium-molybdenum or Reynolds 531 seamless manganese-molybdenum tubing, customer's option.

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Old 11-01-13, 08:04 PM
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Oh well....
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Regarding parts, in the immediate post-war period the track bikes used the same components that the pre-war bikes had used. Here are the more important parts from the 1938 catalog.

Hubs:



Crankset/Chainrings:



Stems:

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Nice bike. Memory Lane has a reprint of the pre war 80 page Schwinn parts book for about $20.00. This book has a small section on Paramounts. Also Geoff Greene at greenephantom has a reprint of dealer catalogs that show parts that were available for the lightweight bike. The years are 46,48,52 and 53. This book has drawings and part numbers for the items. A great reference for a nominal cost.
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I knew I had a website for the pre war catalog. Go to bicycles.grobbel.org and in his bicycle stuff you will find the pre war parts catalog. Also the pre war Schwinn lightweight catalog can be found on a google search.
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For a pair of wheels, I'd contact the guy who started this thread:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...hwinn-Superior
Unless someone has beat you to it.
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These are the wheels I built for my 1940 Paramount.

The bike in the foreground.



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I've had that on my watch list for a while, reasonable price indeed, I've been wondering about the headbadge.... Seems like it might not be original? Should say paramount no? Also missing a headbadge screw...

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Originally Posted by ericbaker View Post
I've had that on my watch list for a while, reasonable price indeed, I've been wondering about the headbadge.... Seems like it might not be original? Should say paramount no? Also missing a headbadge screw...

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It should have a Paramount badge.



The pre-war parts catalog pakman mentions contains 20 pages with Paramount parts. Pages 60-73 are the Superior parts section and pages 74-79 are the Paramount parts section. The reason both Superior and Paramount parts are needed is that some parts in the Paramount section simply refer to those parts listed in the Superior section.



Here are links to scans of the individual pages. Try not to get too depressed over the prices shown in the parts catalog.

Page 60

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Page 71

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Here's the stem:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-RARE-SCH...item2a3227155f

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Originally Posted by dbakl View Post
I saw that; in 1940 the retail price of that 4264 stem was $3.50. Arrggghhhh.
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I saw that; in 1940 the retail price of that 4264 stem was $3.50. Arrggghhhh.
Adjusted for cost of living per the CPI Inflation Calculator that's $56.86 in today's $, not an impulse buy in it's day.

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$57 is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less than a Thomson....
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Thanks a lot folks, ton of good stuff to go on. I'll be shopping for an appropriate set of high flange track hubs with the phone dial look. I'll pick up a new set of wooden Ghisallo rims to go with them.

That stem, I don't think I'm going to be getting it anytime soon

I just got a hold of this crank which for now will do. I'll remove the rear ring and skip tooth the front one. I have an old pair of Lyotard French pedals that would round up the look just so

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Originally Posted by abdon View Post
Thanks a lot folks, ton of good stuff to go on. I'll be shopping for an appropriate set of high flange track hubs with the phone dial look. I'll pick up a new set of wooden Ghisallo rims to go with them.

That stem, I don't think I'm going to be getting it anytime soon

I just got a hold of this crank which for now will do. I'll remove the rear ring and skip tooth the front one. I have an old pair of Lyotard French pedals that would round up the look just so
I used a new manufacture Livery Design Gruppe stem on mine. They're polished stainless steel. $150.

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I just got a hold of this crank
That is one sweet crank.
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As a practical matter of fact, the Paramount could be ordered as just a frame set from the factory and this allowed the rider to outfit the bike as he wanted. This being the case, any period item could be considered correct and you should not feel you must have Paramount parts only as many bikes from that period had a mish mash of parts as budget and availability dictated. Many nice English parts are available and look appropriate. The Livery design stem is nice and if you are interested contact them directly ask if they have any previous models for a heavily discounted price as it does nicely in lieu of an original. Good luck.
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What great vintage find and project to restore. I may have the stem and handlebar that would be period and likely original for the bike. Its the Schwinn Paramount adjustable AS 4264 Stem with the matching handlebar in really solid condition. These appear to be a pretty rare find. If you are looking to original let me know.
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When I first designed my track hubs I simply based them off of the Campagnolo Record's (how can you go wrong with the best). There is not enough spacers that can be removed to get to the older OLD sizing. Now moving forward I am looking at creating some riveted flange track hubs. I will design these from scratch to accommodate the older frames. I just do not have this as a priority project unless there is enough interest.
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