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Do you plan a build around a frame, or a group of parts (or something else)?

Old 11-16-13, 07:24 AM
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This has got super cool snowy Canadian winter crazy dude on a bike written all over it. Nice!


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I LOVE that GREEN!
Close up, it's even better!,,,,BD

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kroozer, Generally an idea sparks a build plan for me, and then I gather what I need. A bit of a disclaimer is due...I generally build with a Cannondale frame set and Ultegra or D-A groups so I suppose frame and parts are already selected.

There have been exceptions. Following my knee injury I stripped one Ultegra build and rebuilt it with a full 105 triple drivetrain because the color more closely matched the frame's color and I replaced the integrated shifters with DT shifters. The latest was a bike I bought for the wheelset to use on the current project bike that was so nice that it deserved it's own rebuild.

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I'll build around usage first. I'll list the range of paved and unpaved surfaces I plan to ride with the bike. Then I'll select the tire size.

-Paved roads and paths, maximum tire size 700x25
-Paved roads and smoother gravel roads and paths, maximum tire size in the 700x30 to 700x35 range
-Anything that looks like a road or path, maximum tire size 700x45

Handlebar type comes next, handlebars determine frame geometry and shifter style.

Than I'll consider if I want racks for commuting or touring

Than I'll consider rear hub. Is it a 120mm for freewheel or single speed? 126mm for freewheel or cassette, 130 or 135mm?

Then I'll search for a frame. I'll know what geometry in needed, tire clearance, rear dropout width and what braze-ons for racks.

Then I'll select the target weight of the bike.

Then I'll select wheels, crankset and rear cog-set and rear derailleur based on capacity.

The rest is a matter of price and availability.
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Bikes almost always start off for me with a Frame.
I did end up with an almost complete ensemble of French bits. Naturally those required a French frame.
Ended up with a complete French bike for the price of what a frame might run. So, either I reconfigure that or still look for another from France.
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Originally Posted by repechage
Bikes almost always start off for me with a Frame.
I did end up with an almost complete ensemble of French bits. Naturally those required a French frame.
Ended up with a complete French bike for the price of what a frame might run. So, either I reconfigure that or still look for another from France.
Same here.

I thought I had found a reasonably priced Bruce Gordon touring frameset recently until a garden implement fell on the top tube.

A nice, big dent ensued.

I wanted a little cleaner specimen to start out with on a build, so I passed.

Still looking for the elusive Bruce Gordon frameset and I am too thrifty to have a new one built atm.
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I'm thinking of building a bike around this.
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First I determine what bike I want. I am very specific with vintage, size and components.
Then, I buy whatever I can get my hands on, frame, components or the complete bike.

Once, I bought all of the components and then wound up buying the complete bike. Now I have spares.
Another time I got the frame first and needed to find the right components.

Although I have a set a 3-piece FB high flange track hubs I bought just because. I'm thinking an all-Italian, non-Campy pista. Just not sure what it should be.
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Originally Posted by Zinger
I bought an '83 Trek 970 road frame from Barrettscv. I had built one 30 years ago with a couple of different sets of mismatch parts and had to sell it. So this one calls for a budget build this time.

Well I just happen to still have some Ritchey rims and a new Sachs 13-24 7 speed freewheel. So considering what discontinued freewheels cost anymore I guess I'm buying my parts around a freewheel, .

And I've always liked Suntour's slant parallelogram derailleurs with ultra 7 freewheels. So I've been able to find some pretty good Japanese parts (which I have no problem hanging on an American frame) to go with a 1st generation Cyclone RD which handles a 24 tooth sprocket on the short hanger.

Got some great deals on NOS Dia Compe 400 calipers, NOS 7200 Dura Ace shifters (look good against the red & yellow frame) and some NOS Suntour (Nashbar) sealed hubs. Planning on a VO Grand Cru fluted compact with different rings to go with that stuff. So as soon as I catch up with the bills I'll finish her off in time for spring riding.

So to sum it up I'm matching a freewheel to a frame and building around that.

Aaand the Shimano shifters with a Suntour RD matches perfectly my other Trek 500 which has a Shimano RD and Suntour shifters.....
It should be a great build!
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I've done it multiple ways. Most of my bikes are mix and match affairs with two notable exceptions being my Fuji Touring 4 and Miyata 1000. If it's not a frame, then it's almost always a crankset (even if it's later replaced, the bike is built up with a vision of what the crankset should be on and what it's gearing is). Seems like my mountain bikes start with frames, and road bikes tend to start out with some other components.

Not that it adds much to this, but I've been sitting on a 7400 group and still trying to find the perfect match for it (the altron frame seems more like 600 tricolor material). If I could stumble onto a Team Miyata frame or the right Nishiki Prestige, maybe it will call out to me. Real luck would be a 3Rensho, or winning the lotto. My other non C&V frame that's been hanging around for too long is a KHS 853 frame of the sloping top tube variety. I'm tempted to go with the SRAM 22 components (well at least bar ends, cassette, and RD) with my Mavic wheel set and a single front ring just to see if I could get it to around 16lbs.
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Originally Posted by Barrettscv
It should be a great build!
I'm really humbled by the incredible work that some of the craftsmen do in this forum. But I don't have as much to do except mostly put this one together after catching up on unexpected medical bills. The only thing putting it off until almost spring is $$$.

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Originally Posted by Bikedued
This was a bare frame, and my Grand Record got scavenged to build it up...



Very nice.
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Bikedued, Very handsome! I am in the process of painting a Trek near that color and had planed on gold lining the lugs too.
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Now I feel bad for robbing the wheels off it to ride my Competition in the vintage ride this morning, hehe. I promise I will put them back on later. Thanks for the compliments, that frame dropped in my lap within the first week or two I was back in Houston. Had no cash at the time so I traded my black Bianchi for it. A worthwhile trade in my book.,,,,BD
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Originally Posted by Bikedued
A worthwhile trade in my book.,,,,BD

Ya think?
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It did have an 8 speed Campy group on it, in perfect working condition. Neither here nor there, though.,,,,BD

I would like to paint my new to me 92 Miata the same color as the GB though.
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There have been times when I’ve bought a frame first, and in that case it does determine the parts. But my next 3 projects are all collections of parts waiting for their respective frames:
1) 70’s-80’s “alternative Italian” (Galli/Ofmega/Miche). I got this ensemble together for my Olmo, before deciding it was too small for me and selling it. But I kept the parts, and they will go on another Italian racing frame.
2) 1970’s “best of the French” racing components (Maillard 700/Simplex LJ/Mafac Competition). Another top-end Campy Record alternative. These will go on a French frame from a small producer.
3) A bunch of mixed European parts from the 70’s. This was not a carefully chosen group, but a motley crew of leftovers and spares. But it’s all good stuff and will make a very nice sport tourer. Maybe an English or Swiss frame, some place that didn’t make their own parts.
The thing is, I consider the parts on many of my bikes as more “keepers” than the frames they’re on. There is an incredible variety of vintage frames around, and I would be willing to let go of quite a few of my frames if something nicer/better/prettier/rarer came along. But most of the parts groups are pretty good the way they are, and there weren’t that many alternatives.
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My most recent build started when the previous one (rebuild of my purchased new '79 Miyata 912) wouldn't work with the Brooks Swift that I liked so much ten years ago, and I was given permission to look for another frame. Ended up with a lovely '87 Marinoni (pictures soon), on which the Swift fit fine. Then I found that I was no longer a "good fit" with the Swift. So now the Marinoni just got the last of its "final" configuration pieces, one of which is, ironically, a lovely new Gilles Berthoud saddle. BTW, the Marinoni seller was also the source of a great find for it - a set of truly NOS Sachs Ergo brifters, which are on all my bikes.

So it started as a plan for a build around a part, and ended up a build around a frame.
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Originally Posted by rootboy
I'm thinking of building a bike around this.
Yes, but that's a pretty restrictive build. My next build is going to be around this:

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Happenchance (is that a word?)

Last weekend I was going out to dinner and found a 1976 Raleigh Record being tossed after not selling at a yard sale. The next day at an automotive type flea market I purchased this 1977 SA AW hub for$15. I bought it thinking a 3speed mixte would be a fun build. Now that I am thinking about it more clearly, there are a lot of changes and work and $$$ involved. Who knows?



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Originally Posted by southpawboston
Yes, but that's a pretty restrictive build. My next build is going to be around this:

That reminds me. I have a spare 131mm rear axle. Time to build another bike.
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hm, still working on that build centered around some vintage Campy MTB bits. I'll probably be making this post until my demise, or the general distruction of BF & tha interwebz. Some builds just never get done.
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I have wanted a road bike trike for many years. I rode a few times with gentleman in Bethesda MD who had a lovely Bob Jackson trike. I was wondering if you could give me any info on where to get the conversion kit you used. It came out great, super choice of frame for the project too.
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Like many, I'm in the middle of a spring build. To me, the frame and fit are the heart of this build. I wanted vintage, lightweight and gnarly aggressive geometry with punch. The equippe and grouppo dont mean pouppo if the frame doesnt fit or please in the personal performance realm. I'm starting with an '88 C-dale Criterium Series.
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Originally Posted by jimmuller
That reminds me. I have a spare 131mm rear axle. Time to build another bike.
Recalling vintage Daffy Duck, "hey Mister! You need a house to go with this doorknob!!".
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