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What did "600" and "105" mean to Shimano?

Old 11-14-13, 07:57 PM
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What did "600" and "105" mean to Shimano?

Kind of an idle question, but Shimano is/was known for choosing names and logos with some meaning behind them, like "Dura-Ace" being a portmanteau of "Duralumin" (alloy) and "Ace" (best), and the tricolor logo signifying earth, sky, and sea. I was suddenly curious if the "600" series and the later "105" series numbers were supposed to signify anything beyond numbers picked out of a hat at a committee meeting.

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Those numbers weren't alone. There were 350 groups and others. Numerical order doesn't seem to match hierarchy.
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It is probably a numerical representation of "Deore", whatever that is.
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then there's that car company with 911, 912, 959, 914, 356, 924, 944, 968, 928, ...
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As I understand it, 105 is one better than 104. But perhaps not.

Years ago, heck, it was decades ago, we got some wheels with the original 600 hubs. They weren't so expensive but they looked great and rode well. They still do both.
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I like 600 a LOT better than "Ultegra". It sounds like a combination of ugly and integrity.,,,,BD
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Originally Posted by Bikedued
I like 600 a LOT better than "Ultegra". It sounds like a combination of ugly and integrity.,,,,BD
You're just old LOL
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At least "Z-series" was at or near the bottom of the heirarchy... or it was designed for zombies. Whatever.
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Originally Posted by shoota
You're just old LOL
And your point is? Ultegra and Tiagra make absolutely no sense. It's kind of like Camry, Corolla, Camaro, or Leganza for that matter.
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Originally Posted by eschlwc
then there's that car company with 911, 912, 959, 914, 356, 924, 944, 968, 928, ...
The story I heard is that 356 was the address of their design studio.

Originally Posted by Bikedued
I like 600 a LOT better than "Ultegra". It sounds like a combination of ugly and integrity.,,,,BD
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Just Jenglish. Like so many other Japanese product names.

They aren't alone though.

I am curious though, if we can get a Shimano rep to explain the origin of their names. (And their pronunciations)
"Deore, Tiagra, Alfine, Alivio, Tourney, Altus...Exage.
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott
Kind of an idle question, but Shimano is/was known for choosing names and logos with some meaning behind them, like "Dura-Ace" being a portmanteau of "Duralumin" (alloy) and "Ace" (best), and the tricolor logo signifying earth, sky, and sea. I was suddenly curious if the "600" series and the later "105" series numbers were supposed to signify anything beyond numbers picked out of a hat at a committee meeting.

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May simply just be based on the part number range at the time. If so, 105 is the only original road group designation remaining.

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Originally Posted by eschlwc
then there's that car company with 911, 912, 959, 914, 356, 924, 944, 968, 928, ...
And the best of all 917
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Originally Posted by bradtx
May simply just be based on the part number range at the time. If so, 105 is the only original road group designation remaining.

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There is still Altus, but it's more of a Hybrid/ wannabe mtnbike group now.,,,,BD
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First, there were CAVE people. They invented The Wheel.

Then, there were ENGINEER people. They invented The Bike. They came up with simple naming schemes, like using higher number to represent better stuff.

Then came the MARKETING people...
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Originally Posted by eschlwc
then there's that car company with 911, 912, 959, 914, 356, 924, 944, 968, 928, ...
Peugeot is still worse.
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Originally Posted by Reynolds
Peugeot is still worse.
The 911 was originally designated the Type 901, but Peugeot had a hissy-fit claiming they used three digit numbers with zero in the middle for their model numbers, so Porsche graciously changed from 901 to 911 to keep the peace. Many 911 part numbers still start with 901xxxxxx. Porsche continued to use zero as the middle digit for some pure racing cars (907, 908, 909).

Porsche 901 Wikipedia article
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But did you know that the "wide track" Pontiacs weren't any wider than Chevys of the same year? Just an ad-men concoction to sell cars.

I had some of those 600 components, first generation, when they were new in about 1980 or so. A real bargain, but understandably, not as good as the Campys I had, so the 600's all went on one bike that got traded for a used whitewater kayak.
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Originally Posted by Bikedued
And your point is? Ultegra and Tiagra make absolutely no sense. It's kind of like Camry, Corolla, Camaro, or Leganza for that matter.
OT but my understanding is that toyota name are computer generated and then selected by committee. of course that does on explain Tundra
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But did you know that the "wide track" Pontiacs weren't any wider than Chevys of the same year? Just an ad-men concoction to sell cars.
Pontiac coined the "wide-track" gimmick in the 1959 model year I believe, when all GM brands got noticably wider bodies than the year before.
Among other things, each brand had their own frame and suspension design. This continued to be the case at least until 1964 for Chevy, Pontiac, Olds and Buick; while Cadillac continued with their own frame and suspension for much longer.
I'm pretty sure during the years 1959-1964, at least, that the full sized Pontiacs did have a measureably wider track than equivalent model Chevies. This holds true for the US Pontiac models, i.e. Bonneville, Gran Prix, Catalina and Star Chief.
Their cousins manufactured in Canada for the Canadian market were little more than Chevies in disguise, model for model, and had distinct model names, e.g. Strato-Chief, Laurentian and Parisienne.
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and don't forget shimano sante, rsx, and "light action groups to name a few" and underneath it all is sometimes a meaningful part number...ie 5 series for 105, 6 for ultegra, and 7 for durace.....

trying to figure it out will just give you a headache
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Originally Posted by WNG

I am curious though, if we can get a Shimano rep to explain the origin of their names. (And their pronunciations)
"Deore, Tiagra, Alfine, Alivio, Tourney, Altus...Exage.
Everytime I see the name "Deore" I can't help but think of this relic of the 1960's. Can't reconcile how this relates to my mountain bike, but it's still pretty cool.
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I've had Simano (RX)100, 200(GS), 300(exage), 400, 500, 600. Dura-Ace part numbers suggest it might have been called 700. 105 seems to be the odball.
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Originally Posted by Blue Belly
And the best of all 917
Some would argue that 714 was the best.
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