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Old 05-11-15, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by shoota
My dad paying for the '66 Paramount, full Campy Record:
THat is identical to the one advertised over here at 250 1966... still tempted, just not got the cash!
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Originally Posted by Joe_Steel
Here's my most recent project. A 1972 Schwinn Paramount P15-9 purchased from the son of the original owner...
That's a fantastic bike! The story and all of the extras are exciting as well.

Your blog post mentioned production being sold out. That was very true, I have a Schwinn dealer memo dated 4/12/72 indicating all of 1972 Paramount production through Dec. 31st had been sold out by that time. According to other memos Schwinn produced about 3,400 Paramounts in '72 and planned to build 5,200 in '73, and all of '73 Paramount production was sold out by November of '72!

Another cool thing about that bike is that 1972 was the last year Paramounts could be ordered in full chrome. There were some chrome one-offs or inside jobs after that but for everybody else '72 was the end.

Interesting to me that it has a Shimano Crane GS rear derailleur (not rebranded), but I guess that appears consistent with it's late '72, early '73 production / delivery.
The Crane GS derailleur is a replacement, it would have originally come with a Campagnolo Gran Turismo. Because those didn't work very well many were subsequently replaced by dealers or owners. Schwinn changed to the GT-300 Schwinn branded derailleurs for '73 and to my knowledge never installed Crane branded units on Paramounts. Here is a related topic showing a "brother" P15 built only 18 units before yours, you'll find more information about the derailleurs (and chrome) there: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...t-p15-9-a.html

Also, the fork steerer is stamped with the identical serial number -- including the "P2" as stamped on the bottom bracket shell.

And finally, a question:
Has anyone else seen an atom symbol stamped on the left rear dropout under the serial number?
Very interesting, as @pastorbobnlnh mentioned Schwinn used various stamps on the bottom brackets but I've never seen that "atom" or any other dropout stamp before. Note that the "brother" P15 mentioned above also has the P2 stamp but it does not appear to have the atom on the dropout. That stamp is a mystery so far...

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Originally Posted by MiloFrance
THat is identical to the one advertised over here at 250 1966... still tempted, just not got the cash!
That's because it is And you don't have to fret anymore, @sloar bought it already

Edit: wait, you mean there is one just like that in France for $250? And you can't find the cash for it?? That's a great deal.
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Frameset and wheels, not original.

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Originally Posted by MiloFrance
Frameset and wheels, not original.

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+ price is in pounds sterling, not Euro. So 250GBP = 350 Euro...or about 390 USD.

EDIT: Not to mention pickup only in London, UK.
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Ahh yes, I sca
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Ahh yes, I scan a few sites so that really puts it out of reach. As does the confirmation that its a 57cm c-c.
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Originally Posted by Metacortex
That's a fantastic bike! The story and all of the extras are exciting as well.

Very interesting, as @pastorbobnlnh mentioned Schwinn used various stamps on the bottom brackets but I've never seen that "atom" or any other dropout stamp before. Note that the "brother" P15 mentioned above also has the P2 stamp but it does not appear to have the atom on the dropout. That stamp is a mystery so far...
Thank you guys for the added information.
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I was trembling on pressing the "reply" button from the fear of what ive done to my Paramount. It originally came with full tricolor 600 from the hubs down to the headset and a Kinesis aluminum fork. I replaced everything as I'm not a shimano guy and wanted to do an American built themed bike. Yes the Sram stuff is built in Taiwan but you get the idea.


1993 Waterford built Paramount with Reynolds 753
Mixture of Sram Red and Force
Reynolds MV32UL wheels
Thomson post and stem
Time carbon fork

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Originally Posted by Henry III
I was trembling on pressing the "reply" button from the fear of what ive done to my Paramount. It originally came with full tricolor 600 from the hubs down to the headset and a Kinesis aluminum fork. I replaced everything as I'm not a shimano guy and wanted to do an American built themed bike. Yes the Sram stuff is built in Taiwan but you get the idea.

1993 Waterford built Paramount with Reynolds 753
Mixture of Sram Red and Force
Reynolds MV32UL wheels
Thomson post and stem
Time carbon fork
I like what you did. I did something similar with a '94 753OS Waterford Paramount (540ALWA94012) for a riding buddy. We used Chorus 11-s.

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I'm rebuilding a 1972 chrome paramount I inherited from my uncle. It is the P13 with curved Italian style forks for 700c wheels. So far I've rebuilt the wheels with Pacenti PL23 rims, and employed lighter gauge spokes on the non-drive side rear and all of the front - the front wheel weighs only 775g and rear 885g (w/o skewers/tires/freewheel). The PL23s are a great option for vintage road bikes - box section, double wall, wide, light weight, eyeletted, polished. The tires are Veloflex Master 25s.



I'll post pictures of the complete bike when I have it all together again. I'm not trying to modify the original build apart from having some fun with the wheels!
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My '92 ready for a ride. It's my workhorse bike.



The one I want to buy. On consignment for $850.

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1967 P14


1970 P13-9


1973 P14C

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Did you see #102 above?
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Did you see #102 above?
Yep, same bike!
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I posted (#112) pictures of the wheels I built for my 1972 chrome paramount. Here is the complete bike in the hallway, will get much better pictures outside. Serial number is J7282. For its vintage the frame is in excellent condition, with just some wearing of the decals.

Mostly original except for rebuilt wheels, replacement hoods, bar tape, brake cables and brake blocks. Pacenti PL23 700c rims with Veloflex 25mm tires. Freewheel is Regina Oro 14-22 from 1980 (NOS), Regina oro SC chain. The brake hoods are reproduction world logo, and the brake blocks are Cane Creek grey matter (I never had the original Campy holders unfortunately).

Really enjoying the ride, much faster acceleration than I was expecting, brakes work great with the newer pads and machined rims. Still not a fan of downtube shifters though I realise you just don't need any shifting ramps/pins with friction, the bike shifts great with the smaller block freewheel! I have the original pedals/clips/straps but riding it with cleats obviously.

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FedEx just dropped this off today.
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Already posted on other threads here, this is a '77 Deluxe Touring Paramount P-10/15, supposedly one of only a handful built that year with canti mounts. Like most of my bikes, the component build isn't very vintage, so apologies if that puts you off. It wound up as a fendered Rando-influenced build. Next time it winds up in my shop it's going to get STI.

I've had two other classic Paramounts, '72-'74, one Touring, one Racing. Also had two later Waterford Paramounts, both built Jan '89. One of the last standard-tube Paramounts and one of the first OS-tube Paramounts.


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Found this and just couldn't pass it up, a near mint Paramount Series 7 from the early 90's. One of the Japanese built yes, but still a nice bike. Really pissed the wife off with it too...
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I got my '71 put back together and on the road today.
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1979 period incorrect P15. Apologies to purists. If I ever have a bit of cash to throw around (unlikely) I might restore it, but I quite like how it is now.

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1979 period incorrect P15. Apologies to purists. If I ever have a bit of cash to throw around (unlikely) I might restore it, but I quite like how it is now.
Nicely done and welcome to C&V.

Can you show some close ups of the gear you are using? Tell us more about the paint or powder coating. I see very nice line work around the lugs. Was the chrome on the front lugs, fork crown and socks, and rear stays and drop outs too far gone? Usually Schwinn chrome lasts and lasts and is worth saving. It would be interesting to hear what was up with the chrome on your Paramount.
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Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh
Nicely done and welcome to C&V.

Can you show some close ups of the gear you are using? Tell us more about the paint or powder coating. I see very nice line work around the lugs. Was the chrome on the front lugs, fork crown and socks, and rear stays and drop outs too far gone? Usually Schwinn chrome lasts and lasts and is worth saving. It would be interesting to hear what was up with the chrome on your Paramount.
Thanks. I've been enjoying looking through all the lovely bikes on this forum for the last few days.

It looks like 1979 Paramounts never got the chrome treatment. Here it is in the catalog:


This is what it looked like when I got it. A friend of mine painted it. I outlined the lugs myself and am pretty unhappy with the results. I will definitely give that another shot soon.



The gear is an unholy hotchpotch of new and old and Japanese and Italian because most of it was either donated to me by my LBS or I already had it. I would have liked to build it up with all or mostly 1970s Campy, but that wasn't within my means. The frame was also stretched to 126 mm when I got it, so I decided to take it a step further and build it up with modern hubs and cassettes.


Sugino compact cranks with Velo Orange chainrings
Campagnolo Veloce RD
Nuovo Record FD
Shimano 105 hubs
H PLUS SON clincher rims
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