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browngw 11-22-13 12:43 PM

Re(cycle)d Names
 
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A well meaning friend recently asked me if I wanted "an old Raleigh Lenton", in her words. I said sure and was having visions of a wonderful old club racing style bike.

When it was finally dropped off, it was found to be a 1981 Raleigh step-thru 21" 5 speed with 26 inch wheels and lots of rust. I thanked her for thinking of me and graciously accepted it anyway. It did have an SR stem I needed and it does still ride and can be sold.

Have any other once proud names found their way onto lower end bikes?

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Kobe 11-22-13 12:51 PM

Specialized Sirrus was this....

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/images0...rrus%20009.jpg

And became this.

http://www.camdencycles.co.uk/images...pecialized.jpg

Not a bad bike, but nothing like the original.

The Golden Boy 11-22-13 12:57 PM

A lot of names were tossed around- for Schwinn- the Super Sport, Superior, Voyageur names have graced 'among the top of the line' frames and low end bikes.

Of course, there's also the Trek 720... The king of all touring bikes and the middle of the road hybrid.

I think some of it has to do with keeping ownership and trademark for the name. Aside from the familiarity of the name.

rotharpunc 11-22-13 01:49 PM

BIKES DIRECT! lol, I can't really complain, BD has decent stuff. And pretty much everything Pacific Cycles has gotten their hands on.

SJX426 11-22-13 01:55 PM

Very nice Sirrus. I think the Allez use to be top and now middle.

Lascauxcaveman 11-22-13 03:40 PM

Yeah, don't google-image New Schwinn Voyageur unless you want to have a sadz :(

rhm 11-22-13 06:15 PM

Trek 720 is another one. Two completely different bikes.

RRA (Raleigh Record Ace) might be the worst, with at least five completely different bikes over the years... Reynolds 531 or gaspipe; single speed (fixie), IGH, or derailleur; English, French, or Japanese components... The mind boggles.

Howard 11-22-13 06:17 PM

Or a Specialized Expedition - much like the Trek, it is a cruel parody of what once was.

The old bike spoke to dreams of wide unrolling horizons, ending at the sea. The new sells no dreams, offers no visions. It's an appliance and while it maybe isn't a bad appliance, it colors all the previous images not with sepia, but with beige.

JohnDThompson 11-22-13 07:09 PM

Masi Gran Criterium, then and now:

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/MasiGranCriterium.jpg

http://c417289.r89.cf1.rackcdn.com/2...rium-Green.jpg

That fork is just... wrong.

Bikedued 11-22-13 07:51 PM

Yeah the Expedition is the one that gets me. It's a grandma and grandpa hybrid bike now, not the sweet full on touring rig of lore. It's a great riding bike, don't get me wrong, but it is mystical no longer. There's been a million Voyageurs through the years, and they ranged from 40 pound gaspipers, to decent touring rigs with Deore. Whenever someone tells me they have a Voyageur they want to get rid of, it's almost always the lower end heavier models.,,,,BD

rfj 11-22-13 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 16270337)
That fork is just... wrong.

Looks the same to me. Unless you're talking about threadless.

JohnDThompson 11-22-13 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by rfj (Post 16270464)
Looks the same to me. Unless you're talking about threadless.

The original has a graceful rake that extends all the way to the dropout; the modern version has an abrupt bend about midway up the blade with a long straight section leading to the dropout. Yeah, picky, I know, but it shows some care taken in the original and mass production in the modern one.

And the threadless headset is another thing...

Bikedued 11-22-13 09:26 PM

Not to mention FSA and Shimano. Not that there's anything wrong with them, just NOT on a GC.,,,,BD

Otis 11-22-13 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by rfj (Post 16270464)
Looks the same to me. Unless you're talking about threadless.

Look harder.......

Chrome Molly 11-22-13 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 16270491)
The original has a graceful rake that extends all the way to the dropout; the modern version has an abrupt bend about midway up the blade with a long straight section leading to the dropout. Yeah, picky, I know, but it shows some care taken in the original and mass production in the modern one.

+1 on the fork tapering midway, just so wrong.

Schwinn, Dawes, Motobecane (though some are still quite nice), Raleigh (ups and down's), Mongoose, Diamondback, Masi. Not to mention the trek assimilated brands that were either dumbed down or flat disappeared (Lemond, Gitane, Bontrager, etc). Seeing some of the crap at the LBS, Trek and Specialized make the list also. That's without even going into the genus or species.

cb400bill 11-22-13 10:46 PM

It saddens me to see what has happened to Legnano.

Before:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-B...2/DSCF6080.JPG

After:
http://cyclesdeoro.com/events/Italy/...isingplace.jpg

old's'cool 11-24-13 01:19 PM

The horror...

DIMcyclist 11-24-13 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by rotharpunc (Post 16269469)
BIKES DIRECT! lol, I can't really complain, BD has decent stuff. And pretty much everything Pacific Cycles has gotten their hands on.

Oh yeah! The 'Motobecane Vent Noir' springs immediately to mind; neither is it a true Motobecane, or a Vent Noir!

A friend of mine had one of these for a commuter and the ride was so harsh, he was actually glad when it got stolen off of his front porch.

Now he rides an old Triumph; it's not much of a bike, but it is pretty cool in a living dinosaur/ old Schwinn kind-of-way.

jeirvine 11-24-13 02:04 PM

Shchwinn is the worst: Schwinn Volare went from this:
http://www.pedalroom.com/p/schwinn-v...977-1930_7.jpg

To this:
http://static.bootic.com/_pictures/1...inn-volare.jpg

rotharpunc 11-24-13 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 16270337)

This is less offensive then a lot of the other new bikes with old pedigrees, at least it is lugged steel, conversely, most of the new "masi" bikes are truly hideous.

sykerocker 11-24-13 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by rotharpunc (Post 16274312)
This is less offensive then a lot of the other new bikes with old pedigrees, at least it is lugged steel, conversely, most of the new "masi" bikes are truly hideous.

Yeah, I was wondering about the complaint, too. That modern Masi is a heck of a lot more attractive than a lot of it's current competition, and at least tries to play in the same ballpark as the vintage version. Sure, the components are what kills the look, but that's modern technology.

Velognome 11-24-13 08:21 PM

Raleigh Clubman

1949

http://collection.rydjor.com/images/...on/1953ral.jpg

to this


http://www.re-buy-cycle.co.uk/uploads/279/L/0.jpg

and now

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7265/7...29d3bddc_z.jpg

jeirvine 11-24-13 09:02 PM

I actually think the latest Clubman reboot is one of the classier attempts at re-use.

cb400bill 11-24-13 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by jeirvine (Post 16274298)
Schwinn is the worst:

They've ruined the Voyageur name, too.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2113/2...2e13ffd9_o.jpg

http://media.performancebike.com/ima...9-WHI-SIDE.jpg

DIMcyclist 11-25-13 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by jeirvine (Post 16275298)
I actually think the latest Clubman reboot is one of the classier attempts at re-use.

Do tell. I agree that they're fairly classy bikes. No longer a sport-bike, like the originals, but certainly one of my top commuter recommendations (for those times when friends ask me about taking up commuting by bike).

And while taste is a purely subjective matter, that Masi is actually a pretty sweet, thoroughly modern interpretation on the original. It would still look hot with a Campy gruppo on it; I wouldn't feel in any way awkward about riding one. That is, if I were into Masis. ;)

As for the Voyager... is there a sigh that can truly convey such bourgeois disappointment?


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