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Old 11-29-13, 08:59 AM
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NEW BB QUESTION: Looking for information on my Takagi Tourney GS crankset

As some of you know, I recently picked up an old 80's MTB. I'm curious about the Takagi Tourney GS crankset that came on it. The big chainring is a 48 and I haven't looked at the other two but I assume they follow the traditional size-range and fall in the 30's and 20's, respectively.

I had assumed this crankset, being from the 80's, had an obscure and unknown to me mounting system, like splined. However, looking at similar cranksets on E-bay it appears that it might actually be square taper. Is this likely the case? If it is square taper, can I used a modern sealed BB instead of the type (consisting of two end parts and bearing cages) seen on E-bay.

Also, what is the quality level of this crankset? Is it lower quality, higher quality or equivalent to a modern Sugino XD-600? I ask this because I seriously considered the Sugino for my good bike build but went with a Deore instead. The Takagi is a very nice looking crankset and if it's decent quality, moving it over to my good bike would give it all silver components (the black Deore is an eyesore on an otherwise silver accented bike).

Would chainrings be easy to find? I measured the BCD by Sheldon Brown's method and got 108mm on the outer rings. He doesn't even list 108 on his cheatset so I guess I mis-measured. Is it likely 110? 74?


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I think they're quality.

Some of the early Stumpjumpers were specced with Takagi Tourney XT.

I have a Tourney XT set on my Stumpjumper and sourced one for my Voyageur.

I also have a Takagi Tourney AID (or maybe it's AD).
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Yup, Takagi was one of the component manufactures in the shimano group that was eaten up in the 1980s. You will often see takagi stuff paired with shimano in the early 1980s. The tourney XT cranks were beautiful touring cranks and top quality. They even came in 180mm lengths.
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I have an early Schwinn Voyageur S/P that came with a Takagi crankset and it is very nice.
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One of the best triple cranks available in the first half of the 1980's. Shimano bought them out about 1985 or so.
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Bolt pattern should be 110BCD so rings are easy to find, I have a few of these & think they are a damn fine looking crankset when polished up. I used one on my Jetter road project with 8spd STI's and can't quite get it to shift right & think I need to find some ramped & pinned chain rings to make it work right as these weren't designed for index shifting.


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Yep, a great crankset! I have a Tourney XT on my '84 Raleigh Crested Butte MTB. No longer pristine since the non-drive side crank has been replaced, and the drive side is slightly bent. But still performs, and looks great.


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Originally Posted by corwin1968 View Post
As some of you know, I recently picked up an old 80's MTB. I'm curious about the Takagi Tourney GS crankset that came on it. The big chainring is a 48 and I haven't looked at the other two but I assume they follow the traditional size-range and fall in the 30's and 20's, respectively.

I had assumed this crankset, being from the 80's, had an obscure and unknown to me mounting system, like splined. However, looking at similar cranksets on E-bay it appears that it might actually be square taper. Is this likely the case? If it is square taper, can I used a modern sealed BB instead of the type (consisting of two end parts and bearing cages) seen on E-bay.

Also, what is the quality level of this crankset? Is it lower quality, higher quality or equivalent to a modern Sugino XD-600? I ask this because I seriously considered the Sugino for my good bike build but went with a Deore instead. The Takagi is a very nice looking crankset and if it's decent quality, moving it over to my good bike would give it all silver components (the black Deore is an eyesore on an otherwise silver accented bike).

Would chainrings be easy to find? I measured the BCD by Sheldon Brown's method and got 108mm on the outer rings. He doesn't even list 108 on his cheatsheet so I guess I mis-measured. Is it likely 110? 74?
As others have said, this is a very good crank. One of the best of the early mountain bike era.
It's square-taper BB, probably 124.5mm length. Could be 127.5mm if extra clearance was needed.
110mm BCD on the big rings, 74mm on the small ring. Replacement rings are available anywhere.
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Resurrecting a moderately old thread here.

I'm thinking about putting this crankset on a mid-90's bike and using a cartridge BB rather than what came on the original bike. The original bike had either 126 or 130mm rear stays and the bike I want to put it on has 135mm rear stays. The post above mentions 124.5 or 127.5 but would those same numbers apply to a cartridge BB? The only knowledge I have of this stuff is reading RBW-related stuff and it seems that their 135mm bikes are using BB's in the 110 to 113 range. Is there a weight difference between a cartridge and the old-fashioned BB this crankset came with? I'm primarily considering the cartridge because I have a good idea how to install it. The old style, I have no idea.

UPDATE: I took some measurements and the BB shell of both bikes is standard 68mm and the spindle, as best as I can measure it with the crankarms installed, appears to be 124.5. The bike the crankset is currently on was cold-set to 135mm and when I had the BB overhauled, the LBS mechanic said it needed a wider spindle and several front derailleurs wouldn't allow a full range of motion. Is 127.5 the obvious solution or might it need a wider spindle? The widest cartridge I found so far was 127.5 and it was really inexpensive....like $13 for Shimano.

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My 1985 Sekai Bigfoot has Tourney GS cranks on them, which I suspect are original.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post

What tires are those and how do you like them? Your crankset looks brand new!
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That is Velocivixen's bike. I just posted a bigger pic. I agree it is a good looking bike. I would bet money the tires are Pannaracer Pasela TGs a perennial favorite on the forum.
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@corwin1968 & @bianchigirl - yep she's right. 26x1.75 Panaracer Paselas. I like them and have them on most of my bikes in various wheel sizes (27", 26", 700c). I currently run Continental Travel Contact tires on there now - got them 50% off and they look okay.

Anyway that crankset is original as far as I know and I didn't do anything heroic to clean them up. This was my $40 bike that had been highly neglected. Of course saddle, tires, rack, etc. did not come with the bike.
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i upgraded to a tourney crank from '76 on my '80 g.jubilé. moto used this one for several of its models, including the g.jubilé, but not for this specific year.

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Originally Posted by corwin1968 View Post
Resurrecting a moderately old thread here.

I'm thinking about putting this crankset on a mid-90's bike and using a cartridge BB rather than what came on the original bike. The original bike had either 126 or 130mm rear stays and the bike I want to put it on has 135mm rear stays. The post above mentions 124.5 or 127.5 but would those same numbers apply to a cartridge BB? The only knowledge I have of this stuff is reading RBW-related stuff and it seems that their 135mm bikes are using BB's in the 110 to 113 range. Is there a weight difference between a cartridge and the old-fashioned BB this crankset came with? I'm primarily considering the cartridge because I have a good idea how to install it. The old style, I have no idea.

UPDATE: I took some measurements and the BB shell of both bikes is standard 68mm and the spindle, as best as I can measure it with the crankarms installed, appears to be 124.5. The bike the crankset is currently on was cold-set to 135mm and when I had the BB overhauled, the LBS mechanic said it needed a wider spindle and several front derailleurs wouldn't allow a full range of motion. Is 127.5 the obvious solution or might it need a wider spindle? The widest cartridge I found so far was 127.5 and it was really inexpensive....like $13 for Shimano.
corwin1968... As long as you use an older Shimano front DR that's somewhat period specific (Deore XT, Deore DX, etc.) you should be OK. the cheaper cartridge BB's typically come in longer spindle lengths, but they don't tend to last as long as the more expensive ones. Older Cartridge BB's like the UN-51 and UN-71 series from the mid 90's did come in 122.5, 124 and 127 mm lengths, but they're pricey on the Bay.
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen View Post
My 1985 Sekai Bigfoot has Tourney GS cranks on them, which I suspect are original.
Damn- that's a cool bike. The High Flange hubs, the long wheelbase, the Biplane fork: That thing is great as is, or a wide open canvas for a "project" of all different types.
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@The Golden Boy - Thank you. It was my 2nd CL buy. Had to go the the persons house at night, across the river to Washington state, in October.....had original cables RUSTED into the original spiral old school housing, etc. My first "big" rehab. After I got it home & looked it over more I started to cry.....it was a mess. I had major buyer's remorse & thought for sure I was in over my head. I spent hours each day over the next week & finally got it done! I learned a lot along the way too. Still figuring out what tires & handlebar situation I want.

anyway, don't mean to hijack this thread.
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I never saw what was so special about them up until a few years ago. I found they had quite a following. I actually have one of the XT's, and will probably put it on this chrome beauty I just picked up today. It came my way on a very unusual suspect. A ladies Montgomery Ward Omega mixte in hot pink. Shimano light action, and actually had forged drops as well. Not the norm for dept store bikes.,,,,BD

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i upgraded to a tourney crank from '76 on my '80 g.jubilé. moto used this one for several of its models, including the g.jubilé, but not for this specific year.

I realize this is an old thread but I am hoping that you could provide me with some answers. Your Grand Jubilee is beautiful and well done. I recently picked up a Super Mirage (minus a wheelset and a few other things) for very little. It has a Tagaki Tourney crank on it but for some odd reason the chainrings were removed at some point in its life. Would you be able to tell me what chainrings I need for this crank?
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this one's spelled, "jubilé." (heh)

let's see ... the chain ring bolts are 76mm apart, so sheldon says that's 130 bcd "standard road double." i counted the big ring at 52t. the small ring is a 39-42t, not sure. those should be easy to find in that size.

be sure to measure your bolts and xref that with the sheldon data before buying some nos rings for $200 on ebay.
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Jubilé it is. My apologies! I wonder if it worth spending the money on new chainrings or should I just swap it out with a different spindle and crankset.
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got a co-op or lbs that has vintage, used stuff? used chainrings should be under $10 each, and be readily available in 130 bcd.

or post a request in the "iso and for trade thread."

the uglier, the better (as long as the teeth are good), 'cause they're easy to deanodize with oven cleaner and polish with 3m 600 grit sandpaper.
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got a co-op or lbs that has vintage, used stuff? used chainrings should be under $10 each, and be readily available in 130 bcd.

or post a request in the "iso and for trade thread."

the uglier, the better (as long as the teeth are good), 'cause they're easy to deanodize with oven cleaner and polish with 3m 600 grit sandpaper.
Thanks a lot! I do have both nearby and I volunteer as an assistant mechanic there frequently. I will do just that. Thank you for your help.
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