Vintage wheels thread / information
11-29-13, 12:49 PM
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Vintage wheels thread / information
I am putting together a 1990ish Lemond TSX Dura Ace bike (my first vintage road bike build) and am intrested in the possibility of running vintage 1990 hoops on Dura Ace 9 speed hubs.
What are some hoops choices for this time period?
Can these older hoops be built into a 1600ish gram wheel set?
Is there a thread or web page with vintage wheels info?
Thanks for any help as I am really new at this.
What are some hoops choices for this time period?
Can these older hoops be built into a 1600ish gram wheel set?
Is there a thread or web page with vintage wheels info?
Thanks for any help as I am really new at this.
11-29-13, 01:01 PM
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Tubulars: Mavic 280's
Clinchers: Mavic G 40's
Build them 3X with double butted spokes. Keep the tire/tube combo to ~300g.
Is it possible? You can get close. Dura Ace skewers are heavy, dump them in favor of inexpensive Ti or Alloy ones. And pay close attention to the cassette, find an upper end cassette with the alloy carrier...and 7 or 9 series should do the trick.
Clinchers: Mavic G 40's
Build them 3X with double butted spokes. Keep the tire/tube combo to ~300g.
Is it possible? You can get close. Dura Ace skewers are heavy, dump them in favor of inexpensive Ti or Alloy ones. And pay close attention to the cassette, find an upper end cassette with the alloy carrier...and 7 or 9 series should do the trick.
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Mavic Open Pro became available around 2000 I would estimate.
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Tubulars: Mavic 280's
Clinchers: Mavic G 40's
Build them 3X with double butted spokes. Keep the tire/tube combo to ~300g.
Is it possible? You can get close. Dura Ace skewers are heavy, dump them in favor of inexpensive Ti or Alloy ones. And pay close attention to the cassette, find an upper end cassette with the alloy carrier...and 7 or 9 series should do the trick.
Clinchers: Mavic G 40's
Build them 3X with double butted spokes. Keep the tire/tube combo to ~300g.
Is it possible? You can get close. Dura Ace skewers are heavy, dump them in favor of inexpensive Ti or Alloy ones. And pay close attention to the cassette, find an upper end cassette with the alloy carrier...and 7 or 9 series should do the trick.
Is there a lighter vintage appropriate 9 speed hub I could use to shed some grams?
Thanks for the input
11-29-13, 01:51 PM
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11-29-13, 02:11 PM
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I think Open 4's go way back into the early 90's.
All (well, almost all) Shimano cassette hubs are 8, 9, 10s compatible.....74xx, 77xx, 78xx and 79xx all will take 8, 9, 10 speeds. Avoid the deep, deep spline variety. What you need to look at is the hub/cassette total weight, its probably safe to assume that the newer the hub the lighter it is.
All (well, almost all) Shimano cassette hubs are 8, 9, 10s compatible.....74xx, 77xx, 78xx and 79xx all will take 8, 9, 10 speeds. Avoid the deep, deep spline variety. What you need to look at is the hub/cassette total weight, its probably safe to assume that the newer the hub the lighter it is.
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I have a 9 speed Shimano HG cassette, PM me if interested...
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Well Mavic Opens and Cxp's go back to the early 90's and would booth be nice choices to lace to a set of 9speed hubs. With light tires tubes you should be able to get the weight down to a respectiable 1500g per wheel. The CXP-10's on one of bikes go under 1600 with cross tires.
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I just threw my G 40's on the scale...
Front: 1300g G 40 rim, Campy Record hub, 32, straight gauge ss spokes, brass nipples, aftermarket cheap skewer, lightweight IRC tires and tubes...
Rear 1700G same as front but with Suntour freewheel 6s
Front: 1300g G 40 rim, Campy Record hub, 32, straight gauge ss spokes, brass nipples, aftermarket cheap skewer, lightweight IRC tires and tubes...
Rear 1700G same as front but with Suntour freewheel 6s
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For tubular wheelsets, Mavic 280GEL's are nice and really light, but if you want a bit more strength/reliability and would stay true longer and easier to build, I'd go for GL330's instead, just a bit heavier than the 280's but for most riders, not enough to really feel the difference, IMO....
330's were very popular with racers back in the day, because of the reasons I stated.....
Only thing with Mavic rims from the 80's, the dark anodizing on the braking surfaces eventually wears off, usually in not so nice looking patterns because of the sidewall flex spoke tension causes, So don't expect them to look nice that long with regular use....
330's were very popular with racers back in the day, because of the reasons I stated.....
Only thing with Mavic rims from the 80's, the dark anodizing on the braking surfaces eventually wears off, usually in not so nice looking patterns because of the sidewall flex spoke tension causes, So don't expect them to look nice that long with regular use....
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A vintage '90ish Lemond with 9spd? Will you be using DT shifters or brifters?
I believe the above mentioned G 40 rim was replaced by the venerable MA-40 by '90 and unless your willing to go 32 hole and 15 gage spobes may become a fairly hefty wheelset. There were not a lot of lightweight clinchers around then most people who wanted light 'race wheels' went with tubulars, usually a GEL 330 in back and a 280 up front. The Mavic Open 4 CD came along in '90/91 but at 430 gr ea they still were not exactly light. The only real lightweight clincher I can think of were the Campagnolo Delta XLs but I don't the weight at hand.
have you priced NOS vintage rims? Make sure your sitting down. Are you building them or having someone else do it? The cost can add up pretty quick when you add say $1+ per spoke for 64 then maybe $40 per wheel to build them then the hubs and rims....
I believe the above mentioned G 40 rim was replaced by the venerable MA-40 by '90 and unless your willing to go 32 hole and 15 gage spobes may become a fairly hefty wheelset. There were not a lot of lightweight clinchers around then most people who wanted light 'race wheels' went with tubulars, usually a GEL 330 in back and a 280 up front. The Mavic Open 4 CD came along in '90/91 but at 430 gr ea they still were not exactly light. The only real lightweight clincher I can think of were the Campagnolo Delta XLs but I don't the weight at hand.
have you priced NOS vintage rims? Make sure your sitting down. Are you building them or having someone else do it? The cost can add up pretty quick when you add say $1+ per spoke for 64 then maybe $40 per wheel to build them then the hubs and rims....
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I have now, a NOS build up is not going to happen on my budget. At this point I am thinking I will have to wait for a nice used pair of wheels to turn up on eBay or Craigslist. Probably going to run tubulars as I would hate to pork this bike up and most of the build up vintage clinchers are going to be to heavy.
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I have now, a NOS build up is not going to happen on my budget. At this point I am thinking I will have to wait for a nice used pair of wheels to turn up on eBay or Craigslist. Probably going to run tubulars as I would hate to pork this bike up and most of the build up vintage clinchers are going to be to heavy.
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