Oh, how the mighty have fallen...
 

I bought a headset cup remover from Nashbar via Amazon a few days ago. It came in the mail today, along with the obligatory Nashbar clearance catalog. On the next-to-last page I saw this sad reminder that nothing is forever.

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...6&d=1386032940

$2,800 is a real stretch when an Italian bike fan can order a brand spankin' new De Rosa Neo Primato frameset for $1,500.

For that matter, you could order a complete Campy Veloce equipped version for $2,600.

I wasn't really concerned with the price. Just the thought that a Ciöcc (no matter who owns the name) would ever turn up in what is effectively the bike industry's "remainder bin"...

Yes, I thought of that as well.

Likely is a fairly nice frameset for the reduced price though.

At $2,800, I can get some really nice custom work built exactly as I would like it.

Perhaps others thought of this the same way?

In contrast to my Nashbar item, I just saw an early 80s Ciöcc San Cristobal on the bay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121228163576

And it's my size. :-)

I'd be interested in one of those frames, but I'd have a hard time with it because of the brake cable routing. They have through the frame routing, but put the entrance hole behind the head tube on the bottom of the top tube. Since I use Nuovo Record or Super Record brakes with the cables going over the top of the handlebars I can't use this frame.

I think it's pretty.

I seriously doubt if many (or any) of those frames ever sold for $2,800.

Oh, I'm not going to argue about that with you, but I'd be very happy to find that frame in my size for say $5-600. Well, if I was looking for a new frame and had that kind of cash to drop. It looks a lot like the late 80's Concorde Aguila (supposedly built by whoever was building for the Ciocc name at the time) frame that I'm building up right now (minus the number hanger and pdm paint scheme, but with some pretty chrome on the head lugs that mine lacks).

I walked into EMS a while ago and saw a few bikes on closeout sitting outside. They said MASI on them. Talk about the mighty falling.

Nashbar has had a few other "high-end" offerings before, didn't they once sell a lot of the Bob Jacksons in the US (or was that another mail-order house)?...and Performance (now owned by the same parent as Nashbar) used to sell "Pogliaghi" frames, but like these Ciocc they were built by the later owners, in that case it was Rossin or Basso (for these Ciocc it's Conti).
In my mind it's not that much different from other bike industry practices, Nashbar just negotiated a deal and are acting as importer and sales...maybe Ciocc/Conti over-estimated the demand and over-produced, maybe Nashbar just got a "marketing brain bubble".
That eBay Ciocc is the real-deal: made by Pelizzoli himself and looks like a pretty good restro job (at least in pictures), but I have one little nit to pick: this era San Cristobal would not have used those "rasta" color decals...they came in later....and I'd ask to see a close-up of the brake bridge to make sure it didn't have the TSD logo.

If you use an 8 cm stem jammed all the way in I could see a problem, I have a couple of bikes with essentially the same cable routing, LeJeune, Raleigh International, Paramount, that present no problem to me.

I'd be interested in seeing a picture of how you routed the brake cable on those. Or how it looks. That is if you have any easily available on the internet.

I don't do images. CV-6 has a few LeJeunes that show the routing. The cable swings down under and around and passes under to swing up behind the LH side of the stem behind the top of the bar, then arcs up and down to the RH brake lever. But I place the front brake in the sinister hand. You could also run it up from the top tube to the right of the stem.

The cable exit is not in my mind the reason to not consider the frame. Unless you want to run Weinmann side pulls.

Yes, that cable exit is fine, I like it. I just wish the entry point was also on the top of the top tube.

Depending on if there is a full length tube or just ports, having a cable exit on the underside provides a natural drain point, not a perfect drain, but better and easier than turning the bike upside down.

That's accurate, but Nashbar often sells some nice stuff. You have to know what you're looking at.

In the early eightys Nashbar regularly sold Colnago, Gios, Bob Jackson, Romic, and several other high-end frames in their catalog.

But yes, the greats have fallen when their names appear on mass-produced frames built who-knows where by who-knows-who. And the most expensive bikes in the store carry a name you've never heard of.

Here's a better quality picture of it. You can see the brake cable exit at the back of the top tube, it's on top, and the entry for the brake cable is just barely showing underneath the top tube at the front. Both of them are not center but to the left somewhat.

http://edwardintoronto.smugmug.com/p...jFSVb4P-X2.jpg

This is the story of life. New greats rise up to take the places of the old ones.

I think the title of this thread was also used on the CR list a dozen years ago.