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Old 01-07-14, 01:24 PM
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Raleigh 'All Steel Bike' questions on bearings and fork lock...

Had a friend over tonight giving me a hand with my Raleigh All Steel Bike. We hit a few problems..

Here are a few questions I hope some can help me with..


BB Bearing size.. Looks like I have lost 3.. Does anyone know the size of these? I don't have a measuring tool..

Fork Steering Lock.. For some reason the lock on the forks has decided to snap into place... I don't have a key for this :/ And it will now not let me steer the steer tube. Is there a way round this? Any chance of getting a key for this lock on the forks?

Rod Brake Rod.. One of the rods that connects tot he back brake is bent, it's the rod that comes from the handle bars parallel to the head tube.. It is bent in a small S shape and will not allow me to 'insert' the other rod into it.. Anywhere sell one offs or will this either need all replacing or will a Vice bending session do the trick?

3 speed hub.. I have the small chain coming out of the rear hub, but where and what does this connect to? I don't remember any such connection?

Dynamo Lighting.. are the hubs responsible for the lighting of these? I don't have any of the wires or anything, just a shell of the back light, would be nice to get them set up, does anywhere deal in this?

Hope you guys can help, would love to get this on the road very soon...

I am 'proofhiding' the Brooks seat tonight!
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Originally Posted by mrkano View Post
BB Bearing size.. Looks like I have lost 3.. Does anyone know the size of these? I don't have a measuring tool...
1/4" balls.

Fork Steering Lock.. For some reason the lock on the forks has decided to snap into place... I don't have a key for this :/ And it will now not let me steer the steer tube. Is there a way round this? Any chance of getting a key for this lock on the forks?
If you have the number on the cylinder, you can get a new key cut here:

https://www.oldbiketrader.co.uk/displ...?options=parts

Otherwise, if you remove the fork you might be able to extract the cylinder entirely, disabling the lock:



Rod Brake Rod.. One of the rods that connects tot he back brake is bent, it's the rod that comes from the handle bars parallel to the head tube.. It is bent in a small S shape and will not allow me to 'insert' the other rod into it.. Anywhere sell one offs or will this either need all replacing or will a Vice bending session do the trick?
I suspect you'll need to do some judicious bending. Old Bike Trader (above) has some rod brake parts. Possibly Yellow Jersey (https://www.yellowjersey.org) might have parts.

3 speed hub.. I have the small chain coming out of the rear hub, but where and what does this connect to? I don't remember any such connection?
That's for the shift cable. Learn more here: https://sheldonbrown.com/english-3.html

Dynamo Lighting.. are the hubs responsible for the lighting of these? I don't have any of the wires or anything, just a shell of the back light, would be nice to get them set up, does anywhere deal in this?
Some models used Dynohubs; others used bottle dynamos, others lacked lights entirely. Let's see pictures of what you have...

I am 'proofhiding' the Brooks seat tonight!
Don't get carried away. A little bit goes a long way, and too much is asking for trouble.

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BB bearing balls - They're 1/4". Replace them all to ensure they're as close to exactly the same size as possible.

3spd hub - That's the "indicator chain", and it's meant to attach to the shifter cable. Pulling on that chain is what shifts the gears.

Steerer lock - Daaaaaaaaang.
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Here's some pics of the bike...
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Hi John, thanks for the info, very helpful! I can not locate any number on the cylinder, is this inside the mechanism?
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That's gonna be pretty cool once you got it debugged.
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I see the number "33" on your lock.
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Originally Posted by Maxturbo View Post
I see the number "33" on your lock.
Yes, I see a "33" on the OP's cylinder as well. Unfortunately, I don't see the cylinder type on there. Apparently there were two cylinder types: "NGN" and another one I don't recall. Old Bike Trader seems only to have "NGN" type keys, which worked for me:



It's possible a locksmith might be able to figure out what the OP needs, though.

BTW, the OP's bike has a 3-speed Dynohub:



Hook a voltmeter up to the output terminals on the hub and give the wheel a spin to see if it's still functional.
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Hey, that diagram came from my site! Give me a credit!

https://oldroads.com/mn0.jpg

You've got a problem with those rims. Somebody painted them and the bumps from the rust are going to wear out your pads way too quickly.
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WTF, somebody else will take credit for this, too.
You don't need to go to the UK for a key.
Your local Home Depot will have the the blank.
It's an Ilco TM-10

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Originally Posted by oldroads View Post
You don't need to go to the UK for a key.
Your local Home Depot will have the the blank.
It's an Ilco TM-10
Will that work for the non-NGN cylinders as well?
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Hi, Old Roads, the rims have been blasted raw and sanded as fine as I can get them, I am guessing this is pitting or something.... They are raw steel..

And thankfully mine is NGN 33, so I have emailed that OLD BIKE TRADER and wait ona reply, anywhere else I could get that key from??

Though just seen this..

https://www.bikeforums.net/archive/in.../t-459861.html

The joys of Google..

Though it doesnt work, anyone know anyone who cuts these on ebay incase that other guy doesnt get back to me.
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Seems active..

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/NGN-FP-Raleig...-/331016814941
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The hub is probably an AG hub: https://sheldonbrown.com/sturmey-archer/ag.html It's possible that it's an FG, but those are much rarer.
The indicator chain needs to connect to a shifter somehow.

Most shifters are on the bars and have a cable running to the indicator chain. There are several different ways of running the cable.
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