It's 1986 or '87 or '88. What production road bike would you buy?
#26
Spin Forest! Spin!
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Arrid Zone-a
Posts: 5,956
Bikes: I used to have many. And I Will again.
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 11 Times
in
10 Posts
For that era, Based on what I know now, it would be road bikes not MTBs. MTB tech was still in its infancy.
I would select the best performing component group, Shimano Dura-Ace 74xx. It left everything else for dead, period. Next would be my sentimental favorite, best friction group: Suntour Superbe Pro: gorgeous precision. Although I love Campy C-Record's beauty, it just didn't measure up in any performance point and had annoying technical issues.
It would go on a Columbus SL tubed frameset, preferably Italian production, Ciocc, Colnago, Basso, Billato, Tomassini etc; next Merckx production, then Canadian Marinoni. Finally, one of the Schwinn Columbus SL production framesets as third.
I really like how SL rides. And IMO, SLX would take away that magical feel SL possesses for my non-racing pursuits.
Alternatively, Tange Prestige tubed frameset is my second choice. Rivals Reynolds 753 in strength and lightness. I don't know what production offering used it in 1988 as it was rather new.
I would select the best performing component group, Shimano Dura-Ace 74xx. It left everything else for dead, period. Next would be my sentimental favorite, best friction group: Suntour Superbe Pro: gorgeous precision. Although I love Campy C-Record's beauty, it just didn't measure up in any performance point and had annoying technical issues.
It would go on a Columbus SL tubed frameset, preferably Italian production, Ciocc, Colnago, Basso, Billato, Tomassini etc; next Merckx production, then Canadian Marinoni. Finally, one of the Schwinn Columbus SL production framesets as third.
I really like how SL rides. And IMO, SLX would take away that magical feel SL possesses for my non-racing pursuits.
Alternatively, Tange Prestige tubed frameset is my second choice. Rivals Reynolds 753 in strength and lightness. I don't know what production offering used it in 1988 as it was rather new.
#27
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Hurricane Alley , Florida
Posts: 3,903
Bikes: Treks (USA), Schwinn Paramount, Schwinn letour,Raleigh Team Professional, Gazelle GoldLine Racing, 2 Super Mondias, Carlton Professional.
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 78 Post(s)
Liked 30 Times
in
22 Posts
Pinarello Montello, campy record......
#28
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Liberty, Missouri
Posts: 3,120
Bikes: 1966 Paramount | 1971 Raleigh International | ca. 1970 Bernard Carre | 1989 Waterford Paramount | 2012 Boulder Brevet | 2019 Specialized Diverge
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 129 Post(s)
Liked 77 Times
in
40 Posts
In '88, I probably would've gone for a Paramount if I'd had the scratch, although I was enamored with Centurion at the time.
#30
Fat Guy on a Little Bike
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 15,944
Bikes: Two wheeled ones
Mentioned: 42 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1254 Post(s)
Liked 345 Times
in
174 Posts
For that era, Based on what I know now, it would be road bikes not MTBs. MTB tech was still in its infancy.
I would select the best performing component group, Shimano Dura-Ace 74xx. It left everything else for dead, period. Next would be my sentimental favorite, best friction group: Suntour Superbe Pro: gorgeous precision. Although I love Campy C-Record's beauty, it just didn't measure up in any performance point and had annoying technical issues.
It would go on a Columbus SL tubed frameset, preferably Italian production, Ciocc, Colnago, Basso, Billato, Tomassini etc; next Merckx production, then Canadian Marinoni. Finally, one of the Schwinn Columbus SL production framesets as third.
I really like how SL rides. And IMO, SLX would take away that magical feel SL possesses for my non-racing pursuits.
Alternatively, Tange Prestige tubed frameset is my second choice. Rivals Reynolds 753 in strength and lightness. I don't know what production offering used it in 1988 as it was rather new.
I would select the best performing component group, Shimano Dura-Ace 74xx. It left everything else for dead, period. Next would be my sentimental favorite, best friction group: Suntour Superbe Pro: gorgeous precision. Although I love Campy C-Record's beauty, it just didn't measure up in any performance point and had annoying technical issues.
It would go on a Columbus SL tubed frameset, preferably Italian production, Ciocc, Colnago, Basso, Billato, Tomassini etc; next Merckx production, then Canadian Marinoni. Finally, one of the Schwinn Columbus SL production framesets as third.
I really like how SL rides. And IMO, SLX would take away that magical feel SL possesses for my non-racing pursuits.
Alternatively, Tange Prestige tubed frameset is my second choice. Rivals Reynolds 753 in strength and lightness. I don't know what production offering used it in 1988 as it was rather new.
Really, it's just the indexing that's better - with plenty of negatives.
#31
Lotus Monomaniac
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,031
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times
in
4 Posts
1987 Lotus Prestige Dura-Ace. Top-of-the-line for 1987 along with the Super Record equipped Lotus Cinelli Supreme.
So far, the rarest of the rare Lotus bikes. I know of none that exist, haven't found any non-factory photos, or even talked with anyone who owned one. Even though the Lotus Cinelli Supreme is scarce, I've found three of them so far.
Some people get all torqued up about supposedly "rare" bikes, of which I've seen dozens or even hundreds. Lotus has many truly rare bikes that so far I only know of a handful that exist, even fewer in original condition.
So far, the rarest of the rare Lotus bikes. I know of none that exist, haven't found any non-factory photos, or even talked with anyone who owned one. Even though the Lotus Cinelli Supreme is scarce, I've found three of them so far.
Some people get all torqued up about supposedly "rare" bikes, of which I've seen dozens or even hundreds. Lotus has many truly rare bikes that so far I only know of a handful that exist, even fewer in original condition.
#32
Spin Forest! Spin!
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Arrid Zone-a
Posts: 5,956
Bikes: I used to have many. And I Will again.
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 11 Times
in
10 Posts
If you don't mind the crappy plastic brake levers which were maybe the worst, most uncomfortable ever made (at least for me). Not a huge fan of the shift levers either. This of course ignores aesthetics - it's a pretty ugly group. Also prefer campy hubs.
Really, it's just the indexing that's better - with plenty of negatives.
Really, it's just the indexing that's better - with plenty of negatives.
In that case, maybe I should change my choices and defer to your omnipotence in cycling orchestration. Would you like to taste my food as well?
You crack me up sometimes.
#33
Ride, Wrench, Swap, Race
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Northern California
Posts: 9,194
Bikes: Cheltenham-Pedersen racer, Boulder F/S Paris-Roubaix, Varsity racer, '52 Christophe, '62 Continental, '92 Merckx, '75 Limongi, '76 Presto, '72 Gitane SC, '71 Schwinn SS, etc.
Mentioned: 132 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1565 Post(s)
Liked 1,296 Times
in
866 Posts
Any low-priced, but well-made, contract-built Italian. I forget how much that would have cost though.
Or, perhaps a San Rensho, or one of several soon-to-be rare models that were by this time being closed out, at or below dealer cost, because they lacked indexing. Coulda made a killing!
Actually, I did make a few bucks re-selling a couple of non-SIS Treks, which sold for 1/2 price mid-winter.
Or, perhaps a San Rensho, or one of several soon-to-be rare models that were by this time being closed out, at or below dealer cost, because they lacked indexing. Coulda made a killing!
Actually, I did make a few bucks re-selling a couple of non-SIS Treks, which sold for 1/2 price mid-winter.
#34
Fat Guy on a Little Bike
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 15,944
Bikes: Two wheeled ones
Mentioned: 42 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1254 Post(s)
Liked 345 Times
in
174 Posts
Dude - just opinions...that's what we do...give OPINIONS. I think DA 7400 gets a little too much love some times, and I think what you wrote was extreme. Saying it left everything else for dead, and that c-record didn't measure up at ANY performance point, was pretty aggressive. I just don't agree...I think there are a few ways it was a better group.
Most here know a lot more than me.
There was no offense intended.
Last edited by KonAaron Snake; 02-17-14 at 01:09 PM.
#35
Banned.
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 27,199
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 378 Post(s)
Liked 1,409 Times
in
909 Posts
Back to this thread, knowing what I know now, I'd have used that credit card.
1- '87 Paramount SLX w/DA,
2- '87 Merckx Super Corsa w/Syncro,
3-'88 Centurion Ironman Master w/tri-color.
Oh, and his '87 Ironman is in my garage, awaiting rehab.
#36
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Berkeley, CA
Posts: 7,244
Bikes: '72 Cilo Pacer, '72 Gitane Gran Tourisme, '72 Peugeot PX10, '73 Speedwell Ti, '74 Peugeot UE-8, '75 Peugeot PR-10L, '80 Colnago Super, '85 De Rosa Pro, '86 Look Equipe 753, '86 Look KG86, '89 Parkpre Team, '90 Parkpre Team MTB, '90 Merlin
Mentioned: 87 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 834 Post(s)
Liked 2,126 Times
in
555 Posts
I was already racing at age 13 when I was hit by a van on a training ride in early 1987. I didn't get a lot of insurance money but I got enough to replace the trashed Vitus frame with just about any frame I wanted. There was a really nice red De Rosa (don't remember the model) next to a carbon TVT Look and a Look Bernard Hinault 753. (I think you know where I'm going with this. ) The carbon TVT Look was the first version with the carbon fork Hinault had complained about. It was also the most expensive, IIRC. The De Rosa was very tempting, though I didn't know squat about lug profiling or the mystique of Ugo. But this was around early '87, and I was a kid fanboy of Lemond/Hinault/Hampsten and the rest of the La Vie Claire team. So, I know from experience I would have chosen the Look Bernard Hinault 753.
Never regretted the decision. In fact, I'm going to go ride my Look right now. I can always get a De Rosa!
Never regretted the decision. In fact, I'm going to go ride my Look right now. I can always get a De Rosa!
#37
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,177
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 117 Post(s)
Liked 71 Times
in
51 Posts
Yeah, this was some prime time for Trek. 1984 was about the best year for the 770/760 as they still used dropouts with a good axle to derailleur bolt distance and didn't have their badly done internal rear derailleur cable routing. The maroon 720's were a good light touring and rando-type bike, too.
Oh, man. 1986-88 I was in my mid-late 20's. Making a decent living. But, there were very few good bikes shops nearby. So my choices would have to be pretty mainstream. I know, not über cool, but its what was available to me.
Touring - 1988 Miyata 1000. Triple butted goodness with Deore.
Racing - 1986 Trek 770. Reynolds 531 with Super Record.
Touring - 1988 Miyata 1000. Triple butted goodness with Deore.
Racing - 1986 Trek 770. Reynolds 531 with Super Record.
#38
Forum Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Kalamazoo MI
Posts: 20,650
Bikes: Fuji SL2.1 Carbon Di2 Cannondale Synapse Alloy 4 Trek Checkpoint ALR-5 Viscount Aerospace Pro Colnago Classic Rabobank Schwinn Waterford PMount Raleigh C50 Cromoly Hybrid Legnano Tipo Roma Pista
Mentioned: 59 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3090 Post(s)
Liked 6,596 Times
in
3,782 Posts
#39
Forum Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Kalamazoo MI
Posts: 20,650
Bikes: Fuji SL2.1 Carbon Di2 Cannondale Synapse Alloy 4 Trek Checkpoint ALR-5 Viscount Aerospace Pro Colnago Classic Rabobank Schwinn Waterford PMount Raleigh C50 Cromoly Hybrid Legnano Tipo Roma Pista
Mentioned: 59 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3090 Post(s)
Liked 6,596 Times
in
3,782 Posts
#40
Cat 6
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Mountain Brook, AL
Posts: 7,482
Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 500 Post(s)
Liked 183 Times
in
118 Posts
In 1986 the bike shops here carried Trek, Raleigh, Schwinn & maybe some names that were out of my budget range. It came down to one of the 531 Treks, probably a 760 (IIRC ~ $800), vs the Red/White Centurion Ironman that was much closer to my budget ~$500 + tax, so I ended up with the Ironman. If I had had more funds, I'm sure I would have found a way to spend it.
#41
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NW Burbs, Chicago
Posts: 12,054
Mentioned: 201 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3015 Post(s)
Liked 3,802 Times
in
1,408 Posts
1988. Trek sent their factory defects to a salvage yard in Fort Atkinson. I picked up several 7000 and 8000 mountain frames. I believe I paid about $1.50/pound for them. Built several of them up. And while probably technically not "safe", I never had one fail on me. Loved the splash paint jobs. So 80s.
Never bought any of the steel frames. Those would have been about $0.12/pound, irrc.
Never bought any of the steel frames. Those would have been about $0.12/pound, irrc.
#42
Senior Member
It would have to be a red De Rosa and Campy C-Record with Deltas.
#43
Spin Forest! Spin!
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Arrid Zone-a
Posts: 5,956
Bikes: I used to have many. And I Will again.
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 11 Times
in
10 Posts
Dude - just opinions...that's what we do...give OPINIONS. I think DA 7400 gets a little too much love some times, and I think what you wrote was extreme. Saying it left everything else for dead, and that c-record didn't measure up at ANY performance point, was pretty aggressive. I just don't agree...I think there are a few ways it was a better group.
Most here know a lot more than me.
There was no offense intended.
Most here know a lot more than me.
There was no offense intended.
Just our personal choices. I started off by stating the following:
Based on what I know now,
I would select the best performing component group.
Back in 86-88, it was C-Record I lusted after. And if it was a beauty contest, Miss C-Record, Miss Chorus, Miss Superbe Pro would be the top 3. Miss Dura-Ace would be 4th or 5th. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It's subjective.
My statement is also my opinion. I based it on my experience, feedback from others, and historical account. I stand by my opinion because the criteria I hold important is what I used to gauge the groups. I explained my choice with a why. Maybe you took that why as a personal criticism to your choices. It wasn't. I could comment on numerous posts with my opinions differing with others' choices here. But that's not the point of this thread.
You selected to respond with subjective importance to looks, and feel to criticize my choices as ugly and crap. I don't recall anyone else doing so in this thread to any other post. You only had to state you don't agree or ask how come I came to this opinion. But you seem to freely express your negative firestarting commentary, and then it's all fine since it's only an opinion.
Offensiveness is determined on the receiving end, not the giving end. Intended or not.
To end on a more light-hearted anecdote....
A childhood friend had a date with a pretty Korean girl when he was in NYU. They looked like they were hitting it off, until he made a comment that he was surprised in a pleasant way that she didn't smell Korean. He said she looked confused and asked for an explanation. He told her that the Koreans he's been around all had a strong odor of kimchi. Whether from their breath or body. But she didn't didn't have any smell. Needless to say, the date went off a cliff after that. And she didn't speak to him again. When I was told this, I slapped myself onto the forehead and was shocked by this. How could he have said this!! We kept arguing over his attitude. He kept at it that he meant nothing offensive by it, but was trying to pay her a compliment and she took it the wrong way. To this day, 30 years later, he can't admit to himself he did anything wrong. His success with the ladies haven't improved over the years either. :-P
#44
What??? Only 2 wheels?
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Boston-ish, MA
Posts: 13,434
Bikes: 72 Peugeot UO-8, 82 Peugeot TH8, 87 Bianchi Brava, 76? Masi Grand Criterium, 74 Motobecane Champion Team, 86 & 77 Gazelle champion mondial, 81? Grandis, 82? Tommasini, 83 Peugeot PF10
Mentioned: 189 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1222 Post(s)
Liked 645 Times
in
232 Posts
Wow. It's a good thing they didn't start talking about bike parts. Your friend seems to have missed a lesson or two during his development years. (I confess when I was an undergraduate years and years ago I probably demonstrated that I'd missed a few lessons along the way too.)
__________________
Real cyclists use toe clips.
With great bikes comes great responsibility.
jimmuller
Real cyclists use toe clips.
With great bikes comes great responsibility.
jimmuller
#45
Spin Forest! Spin!
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Arrid Zone-a
Posts: 5,956
Bikes: I used to have many. And I Will again.
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 11 Times
in
10 Posts
Wow. It's a good thing they didn't start talking about bike parts. Your friend seems to have missed a lesson or two during his development years. (I confess when I was an undergraduate years and years ago I probably demonstrated that I'd missed a few lessons along the way too.)
#46
Senior Member
Tange Prestige was hot stuff then. My first choice for a road bike would have been the Allez with Campy SR. But I'm with Snydermann, I like Lotus for quality and value in the Prestige-based bikes. So here's my choice:
Because I like that Sugino 75 group.
Jim
Because I like that Sugino 75 group.
Jim
#47
Extraordinary Magnitude
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Waukesha WI
Posts: 13,646
Bikes: 1978 Trek TX700; 1978/79 Trek 736; 1984 Specialized Stumpjumper Sport; 1984 Schwinn Voyageur SP; 1985 Trek 620; 1985 Trek 720; 1986 Trek 400 Elance; 1987 Schwinn High Sierra; 1990 Miyata 1000LT
Mentioned: 84 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2608 Post(s)
Liked 1,700 Times
in
936 Posts
To end on a more light-hearted anecdote....
A childhood friend had a date with a pretty Korean girl when he was in NYU. They looked like they were hitting it off, until he made a comment that he was surprised in a pleasant way that she didn't smell Korean. He said she looked confused and asked for an explanation. He told her that the Koreans he's been around all had a strong odor of kimchi. Whether from their breath or body. But she didn't didn't have any smell. Needless to say, the date went off a cliff after that. And she didn't speak to him again. When I was told this, I slapped myself onto the forehead and was shocked by this. How could he have said this!! We kept arguing over his attitude. He kept at it that he meant nothing offensive by it, but was trying to pay her a compliment and she took it the wrong way. To this day, 30 years later, he can't admit to himself he did anything wrong. His success with the ladies haven't improved over the years either. :-P
A childhood friend had a date with a pretty Korean girl when he was in NYU. They looked like they were hitting it off, until he made a comment that he was surprised in a pleasant way that she didn't smell Korean. He said she looked confused and asked for an explanation. He told her that the Koreans he's been around all had a strong odor of kimchi. Whether from their breath or body. But she didn't didn't have any smell. Needless to say, the date went off a cliff after that. And she didn't speak to him again. When I was told this, I slapped myself onto the forehead and was shocked by this. How could he have said this!! We kept arguing over his attitude. He kept at it that he meant nothing offensive by it, but was trying to pay her a compliment and she took it the wrong way. To this day, 30 years later, he can't admit to himself he did anything wrong. His success with the ladies haven't improved over the years either. :-P
__________________
*Recipient of the 2006 Time Magazine "Person Of The Year" Award*
Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
#48
Extraordinary Magnitude
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Waukesha WI
Posts: 13,646
Bikes: 1978 Trek TX700; 1978/79 Trek 736; 1984 Specialized Stumpjumper Sport; 1984 Schwinn Voyageur SP; 1985 Trek 620; 1985 Trek 720; 1986 Trek 400 Elance; 1987 Schwinn High Sierra; 1990 Miyata 1000LT
Mentioned: 84 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2608 Post(s)
Liked 1,700 Times
in
936 Posts
As far as what bike I'd like... I would hope to find 1985 Trek 720.
__________________
*Recipient of the 2006 Time Magazine "Person Of The Year" Award*
Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
#50
Extraordinary Magnitude
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Waukesha WI
Posts: 13,646
Bikes: 1978 Trek TX700; 1978/79 Trek 736; 1984 Specialized Stumpjumper Sport; 1984 Schwinn Voyageur SP; 1985 Trek 620; 1985 Trek 720; 1986 Trek 400 Elance; 1987 Schwinn High Sierra; 1990 Miyata 1000LT
Mentioned: 84 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2608 Post(s)
Liked 1,700 Times
in
936 Posts