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Old 03-16-14, 10:16 AM
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BTW, if anyone can provide a catalog for these 88 CDI I would appreciate it greatly. Bulg....site has an 88 but not this particular model. I would love to see what the exact components were.

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Same here - would love to see catalogue
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Classy black Bianchi you have ! Seatpost, stem and handlebar would complete the all black look. I like how you made the cable colour match the decal white. One thing, riding at night on that would make me double my life insurance policy ! Total ninja effect....

It is a good idea to make bikes of the same marque with different components. Shakes up the ride characteristics.

Because I am starting with a blank frame I pulled out all sorts of parts with possible colour matches but then yesterday scored a nice surprise. While helping out at the co-op, came up with a good/fair condition celeste Selle Italia Bianchi saddle. Because the decals are celeste I have decided to stick with that scheme. The purple accents in the decals will be matched by the bottle cages. So that leaves tape and cable covering to find.

Ditto with the catalogue search. I'll keep looking as well.
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I've seen some more differences between the 2 CDI'sThe front drop out is marked Bianchi and are round/pointed where the end meets the forks The rear drop out is marked Gipiemme patent and are also pointed/round where the end meets the stays.

Does your frame have a chain hanger ? What does the rear brake bridge look like

Interesting, might want to go back and ask who I got the frame from if they know for certain if mine really is an 88. Or maybe they used different styles of frame building same year, same model.
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Judging from the tubing type and decal style I would say you CdI falls in right around '88. The component spec is interesting, Canadian bikes were different from ours until the '89 or 90 model year but I would not expect to see Mach 1 brakes and CampI Vic/Tri derailleurs. The Ofmega BB w/ Stronglight cranks is puzzling too. I wonder if the bike came like this (ours had ofmega cranks and Suntour derailleurs) or if the OO had it installed rather than the OEM kit? We need an '88 Canadian catalog

I think measuring the shell width to determine BB size is flawed and should never be relied on, there is a reason there is an adjustable cup. If all Italian BB shells were 70mm there would be no need to adjust them. I believe all the Formula frames were Italian shells.

That shouldn't have a QR. You need a seat binder bolt that is knurled (have like little teeth near the head) one side. you can see the indentations on the right side 'ear'

Yes the bulgier catalogs only show the top few frames and I belive they show a '86 catalog as an '88 also they are American and you Canuck bike is different.

I believe Bianchi gave up the Special and Formula tube sets strictly as a cost thing. By '89 the road bike line had been slashed quite a bit all but a few were made in the orient. The top there bikes shared an SLX frame while the CdI got CroMor rather than Formula (so a black CdI with a Quatrro group is an '89)

Your Premio likely weighs in at around 24lbs ( I have no idea how many kilos or stone that is)


Nice looking Bike should be a nice rider when done. I personally would ditch the brakes and put some Campi Monoplanor calipers (mainly personal style preference) and a either some Campi C-Rec brake levers or some Tektro aero levers.
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Hi all

I do have the '88 catalog and it shows the Stonglight crank on the CDI. Available in Celeste and Pearlescent White. I have some scans but I am not sure if there are any rules about posting catalog scans on the forum. If not I will upload them or post a link.

Nice bike and it appears all the components on yours match what I have in the catalog

Frame: Bianchi Special Formula II TriTubi by Columbus in SuperSet design. Columbus Alle Stays
Fork: Columbus Allelle
Brakes: Modolo America. I have a Bicycle Guide article where Bianchi sends them a second bike with the Mach 1 in effort to improve the braking. It failed. Did Modolo ever make a brakeset that stopped?
Crankset: Stronglight 190
Pedals: Ofmega
Drivetrain: Suntour accushift 700/5000
Hubs: Miche touring
Rims: Araya Inox
Freewheel: Suntour 13-23

weight was claimed to be 22.5 pounds.
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Judging from the tubing type and decal style I would say you CdI falls in right around '88. The component spec is interesting, Canadian bikes were different from ours until the '89 or 90 model year but I would not expect to see Mach 1 brakes and CampI Vic/Tri derailleurs. The Ofmega BB w/ Stronglight cranks is puzzling too. I wonder if the bike came like this (ours had ofmega cranks and Suntour derailleurs) or if the OO had it installed rather than the OEM kit? We need an '88 Canadian catalog

I think measuring the shell width to determine BB size is flawed and should never be relied on, there is a reason there is an adjustable cup. If all Italian BB shells were 70mm there would be no need to adjust them. I believe all the Formula frames were Italian shells.

That shouldn't have a QR. You need a seat binder bolt that is knurled (have like little teeth near the head) one side. you can see the indentations on the right side 'ear'

Yes the bulgier catalogs only show the top few frames and I belive they show a '86 catalog as an '88 also they are American and you Canuck bike is different.

I believe Bianchi gave up the Special and Formula tube sets strictly as a cost thing. By '89 the road bike line had been slashed quite a bit all but a few were made in the orient. The top there bikes shared an SLX frame while the CdI got CroMor rather than Formula (so a black CdI with a Quatrro group is an '89)

Your Premio likely weighs in at around 24lbs ( I have no idea how many kilos or stone that is)


Nice looking Bike should be a nice rider when done. I personally would ditch the brakes and put some Campi Monoplanor calipers (mainly personal style preference) and a either some Campi C-Rec brake levers or some Tektro aero levers.
Thank you! Yep, brakes already ditched (will go on my future build - plan to build Cinelli Gazzetta fixed (modern frame) at some point - black with grey rims so modolo brakes will be a perfect match).
I ordered set of modern Veloce brakes from velomine and this morning scored (probably overpaid :-)) Campy Delta brake levers with white hoods in close to NOS condition.

You are right on with Premio - weight was around 24 when I got it. Brooks and couple of other parts increased weight a little bit but was compensated by lighter cranks, brake calipers, sealed BB so I think about the same
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Mongol,

Classy black Bianchi you have ! Seatpost, stem and handlebar would complete the all black look. I like how you made the cable colour match the decal white. One thing, riding at night on that would make me double my life insurance policy ! Total ninja effect....

It is a good idea to make bikes of the same marque with different components. Shakes up the ride characteristics.

Because I am starting with a blank frame I pulled out all sorts of parts with possible colour matches but then yesterday scored a nice surprise. While helping out at the co-op, came up with a good/fair condition celeste Selle Italia Bianchi saddle. Because the decals are celeste I have decided to stick with that scheme. The purple accents in the decals will be matched by the bottle cages. So that leaves tape and cable covering to find.

Ditto with the catalogue search. I'll keep looking as well.
Thank you - it will get some black reflective tape and will also get some sort of fenders (it will be my rainy weather trainer).
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Hi all

I do have the '88 catalog and it shows the Stonglight crank on the CDI. Available in Celeste and Pearlescent White. I have some scans but I am not sure if there are any rules about posting catalog scans on the forum. If not I will upload them or post a link.

Nice bike and it appears all the components on yours match what I have in the catalog

Frame: Bianchi Special Formula II TriTubi by Columbus in SuperSet design. Columbus Alle Stays
Fork: Columbus Allelle
Brakes: Modolo America. I have a Bicycle Guide article where Bianchi sends them a second bike with the Mach 1 in effort to improve the braking. It failed. Did Modolo ever make a brakeset that stopped?
Crankset: Stronglight 190
Pedals: Ofmega
Drivetrain: Suntour accushift 700/5000
Hubs: Miche touring
Rims: Araya Inox
Freewheel: Suntour 13-23

weight was claimed to be 22.5 pounds.
Weight is about right on and slight variations in components (I guess US vs CAN market). Please do post the page - thank you! I don't believe there are any rules against it
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I've seen some more differences between the 2 CDI'sThe front drop out is marked Bianchi and are round/pointed where the end meets the forks The rear drop out is marked Gipiemme patent and are also pointed/round where the end meets the stays.

Does your frame have a chain hanger ? What does the rear brake bridge look like

Interesting, might want to go back and ask who I got the frame from if they know for certain if mine really is an 88. Or maybe they used different styles of frame building same year, same model.
Chain hanger


Rear brake bridge


Dropouts looks identical to yours - rears are Gippiemme Patent and fronts are Bianchi
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Thank you!!! If it is not much trouble - can you email original to mongol777@live.ca?
Stronglight crank seems to be OEM according to the scan, mine looks like 190 and is 52/42
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Thank you - from my limited knowledge of Campy, Victory is one their lower end offerings, correct? Just for my own knowledge - as long as it works I don't really care where it stands.
I can't say for certain in its last year, but in 1986 Victory was second from bottom (Triomphe was lowest rung) (I had a Cannondale with full Victory group as if that matters). Design & performance is what you'd expect from basic parallelogram design; more of the mystique thing.
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I can't say for certain in its last year, but in 1986 Victory was second from bottom (Triomphe was lowest rung) (I had a Cannondale with full Victory group as if that matters). Design & performance is what you'd expect from basic parallelogram design; more of the mystique thing.
Thank you - good to know!
I was cleaning RD, FD and shifters yesterday and was blown away by the finish and just how nice they felt. I am no expert on gears magic (had brief experience with modern groups and mostly dealt with Shimano and Suntour on bikes for friends and flip) but at the very least Campy appearance is impressive!

Couple of things I am somewhat concerned about:
- shifter for RD does not seem to have switch to go to friction mode. Don't foresee it as a big deal but would love to have it as an option. I can probably just get another set of shifers - prefer friction.
- I went around the block on it before taking bike to pieces for cleaning and it felt and worked very nice and precise (with old cables, housing - ie as I got it). I can only imagine how nice should it feel all cleaned up, with new housing and cables, etc. I think I may get addicted to Campy stuff :-).
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Thank you!!! If it is not much trouble - can you email original to mongol777@live.ca?
Stronglight crank seems to be OEM according to the scan, mine looks like 190 and is 52/42
Sent!!
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Folks

You can find a review on the 88 CDI here:

http://bhovey.com/Masi/Scans/BicycleGuide/index1.htm

March 1988
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Got it - thank you very much!
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You can find a review on the 88 CDI here:

http://bhovey.com/Masi/Scans/BicycleGuide/index1.htm

March 1988
Interesting review - echoes my impressions from initial very short ride. I still wonder why Campy mini group was chosen for Canada or was it upgrade/replacement asked for by original buyer (he does not remember by now :-)). And brakes are already Mach 1 (they mention them as upcoming upgrade for CDI in the review). I never warmed up to Modolo brakes (tried several sets over the years) so set of new (2012) Campy Veloce calipers are on their way.
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OK, the wait is over for me - she is all ready. I built it up first with majority of stock components (except brakes and levers - got modern Veloce set and overpaid dearly (probably) for excellent condition Campy levers (listed as levers from Campy Delta set), kept stock wheels (refreshed hubs with new ball bearings and got new Schwalbe Luganos in 700x23). It looked great but I did not really feel it:
- top tube was too long even with shorter reach stem
- I never quite liked Ambrosio rims and I never had easy tire mounting on them
- Campy Synchro shifters are very finicky. Once set - they work but require constant adjustment and friction mode is not as smooth as cheapest suntour shifter (may be my lack of experience is too blame)

At the same time Falcon was ready (more on it in Falcon thread) and it juts flied with very little pedal effort. I figured out I don't really need another racy bike with top tube too long and I went to town with Bianchi build:
- comfy upright bar
- Suntour 4500 RD and FD with power rachet Suntour thumbies
- mtb brake levers (I know! But grey lever color matches grey Bianchi lettering :-))
- Tires way fatter then it was designed for (Clement Strada 700x28 and with that big of a tire for this frame - FD is a bit too close to comfort, no rub but I will removed adjusters and move wheel all the way back)
- Wheelset which is more tire mounting friendly
- bit more relaxed freewheel (14-28)
- I cut brake cable housing too short (for original build with drops) so at some point need to replace it but works for now

Just came back from test ride - absolutely love it!




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Interesting build and great solution to the reach isse. Have fun with it!
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It looks fabulous! Seems like a great around town just for fun bike.

Synchro is a tricky item. It wasn't really designed to be a spot on index system like shipmano's SIS or accushift from Suntour, so it fell out of favor (the 'suits' at CampI thought index would be a short lived fad). You can search here for it and find more than you care to know about it.
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Looks great. The Syncro System works if the freewheel and RD is matched to the insert in the shifter. It's a pain in the neck, sure, but once adjusted works really well.
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jimmm18 and Bianchigirll - thank you for your compliments! I love how it came out and had a blast yesterday on a short inaugural ride!
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Looks great. The Syncro System works if the freewheel and RD is matched to the insert in the shifter. It's a pain in the neck, sure, but once adjusted works really well.
Thank you! Yes, I have correct insert (yellow) and freewheel (6 speed Regina Syncro). I got it working but just wasn't very happy with it. Campy parts sure look great and RD, FD and shifters barely show any wear - I posted them for sale local, someone who can appreciate it should enjoy it.

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I have the exact same bike, bought it a year ago (May 2013) from a guy in Montreal who replied to my wanted ad in Toronto. If you don't mine me asking, how much did you pay for yours?

So far I've replaced the rear derailleur with a Campy that I found from a local bike store (it came with a Shimano Exage 500, the original Campy must've been replaced sometime in the bike's life) and the original Modolo brake levers, which were mushy, scratched up, and the white hoods were ripped and worn. I replaced them with the pictured TRP levers. I also tuned it up with new cables, housings, pads, chain, and lizardskins bar tape.

I've been trying to get the index shifters to work properly, but I can't, despite replacing the derailleur and trying a new freewheel. I've given up and am going to live with the not-great shifting performance.
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I have essentially the same bike in…pink. The right shifter can be switched to friction, but I can't seem to find instructions for you. If I recall, it's a matter of taking it apart and rotating a barrel 180 (or is it 90?) degrees.
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