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jimmuller 04-01-14 04:35 AM

Question on rotation direction
 
I know folks here in C&V think this stuff is important so I thought I'd ask. I recently rebuilt a rear wheel, the one I bent in a pothole a few weeks ago. I was careful to put the rim label readable from the DS and the valve hole lined up with the hub name properly. I mounted the tire with the label centered on the valve stem, and on the DS so that the rotation direction is correct. Frankly, I can't imagine that the tread direction has all that much effect. Anyway, after I'd pumped it up I realized I hadn't checked the rotation direction of the tube. I may have gotten it wrong. Should unmount the tire and I pull the tube out to check, or will it be okay even if it is in backwards? I wouldn't want to violate any C&V rules. :)

Michael Angelo 04-01-14 04:57 AM

I don't think it will make any difference. The tire Direction is more important, due to tread design.

big chainring 04-01-14 05:50 AM

Question on rotation direction
 
The tubes should rotate the opposite direction of the tires. So if you like to do track stands at traffic lights have the rear tube rotate forward and the front tube rotate backwards creating gyro effect when your standing still. And I like my gyros with extra sauce, no onions please.

frantik 04-01-14 05:51 AM

be careful, riding with backwards tubes has been known to cause blow outs at high speeds!

Italuminium 04-01-14 06:22 AM

just be careful not to ride around with a screw loose :P

BluesDaddy 04-01-14 06:27 AM

Jim, haven't you learned anything from bottom bracket threading? Just like bearing balls running backward in their races, a backward-running tube could unscrew the tire from the rim! Fix ASAP!

himespau 04-01-14 06:33 AM

A backwards tube is one of the main causes of carbon frame aspolosion. If you are riding steel or titanium, then you are probably OK. Probably.

CroMo Mike 04-01-14 06:36 AM

And did you line up the slots in all the nipples?

jimmuller 04-01-14 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by CroMo Mike (Post 16630761)
And did you line up the slots in all the nipples?

Dang, I completely missed that point. But I did line up the tube's valve with the rim's valve hole. Would that be sufficient if I don't ride backwards?

DiabloScott 04-01-14 07:20 AM

This is why I always use a Sharpie to mark the drive side of the presta valve as soon as I buy new tubes. It's a visual alarm if I didn't pay attention and got the install backwards. You'd think manufacturers would adopt this simple standard but my e-mails to "big tube" have fallen on deaf ears.

Michael Angelo 04-01-14 08:16 AM

To avoid any confusion, I drill another valve hole and use 2 inner tubes at the same time.

big chainring 04-01-14 08:29 AM

Question on rotation direction
 
Valve stems wrapped in twine then shellaced adds a finishing touch.

jyl 04-01-14 09:10 AM

I have considered drilling two additional valve holes in the rim, offset to the sides, and running three tubes. Idea being that if one tube deflates, you still have 2/3 of the original pressure to keep riding with. I once proposed this in the Mechanics forum and my idea was comprehensively deflated.

RobbieTunes 04-01-14 09:24 AM

It will void your warranty.

jyl 04-01-14 09:42 AM

There is a warranty on MA-40s! Wow, those French do stand by their product.

obrentharris 04-01-14 09:58 AM

I don't know what C&Vers have against valve caps.
If you put your tube in backwards you will know right away when you try to thread on the valve cap.
I think Velo-Orange may be working on a budget knockoff of the very rare French left-hand presta valve cap.
Brent

crank_addict 04-01-14 10:15 AM

Don't forget to torque the presta valve nut to .025Nm.. Never ride without the safety nut. The valve cap must always be center pointed to the hub logo. If you have pink latex tubes, a composite valve cap must be used... never a metal type. Be careful.

WNG 04-01-14 10:33 AM

Jim, you left out one more important step....
what direction did you wrap the Velox rim tape?!? According to a French Velox rep, if you don't start it the proper clockwise or counterclockwise direction, at high speeds the tape will self unravel and twist around the tube like an Anaconda resulting in a dramatic blow out.

Which direction to use depends on which hemisphere you're riding in due to the Coriolis Effect.

If you had dispensed with Velox, and went to a synthetic strip, just make sure the Brand Label faces the Drive Side and Upwards. On average, it yields 2.5mph faster speeds.

Sir_Name 04-01-14 12:32 PM

Not strictly C&V, but pertinent nonetheless:

When running a tubeless setup be sure to install the sealant on the correct side of the tire. Smearing the sealant on the OUTSIDE face of the tire greatly improves flat protection AND traction. I prefer the 'tongue' method of sealant smearing, but it all comes down to personal taste.

A mile or so on chip seal will really help traction off-road as well.

BONUS: See some haphazardly discarded gum or other treat on the side of the road/trail? Run it over. Now you have a post-ride snack.

jimmuller 04-01-14 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by WNG (Post 16631622)
If you had dispensed with Velox, and went to a synthetic strip, just make sure the Brand Label faces the Drive Side and Upwards. On average, it yields 2.5mph faster speeds.

I knew I was going to have to pull the tire off again. :( Oh well, I can check the tube direction at the same time. Just don't distract me while I doing it, okay? Otherwise I'll forget again.

RobbieTunes 04-01-14 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by jyl (Post 16631428)
There is a warranty on MA-40s! Wow, those French do stand by their product.

Of course. Always blame The Man.

jimmuller 04-01-14 06:07 PM

Fellow BF members,

That was a superb, no make that Superbe set of responses! :lol: Well done!


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