Score! 1989 Miyata 1000LT
 

I have an IFTTT bot that alerts me on Craigslist Miyata postings. A couple hours ago I saw a fresh posting for a 1000LT for $300. Evidently I was the first email to get through. The seller called me, I told him I knew people in his area who could pick the bike up from him. Our associate pastor has in-laws in his town. They'll be calling him tonight to arrange for the pick up. I bought a 1985 610 last fall, but I'm concerned it's a bit on the big side (58 cm). This 1000 is a 54. That can be made to fit me better. So this may mean I'll have a 610 to sell. I'll make that decision after I get this bike and see whether it looks as good as its pics.

Waiting for the pics but sounds like a great score at $300.

Hey Rev...enjoy! My Miyata 1000 is my FAVORITE bike...I call it "M3"..."Mile Munching Miyata"

Oof. I saw this too. I think the seller is no longer interested in dealing locally however has he has it on Ebay, here. Unfortunate, but as my cousin would say.. "the bike fairy is good to those who wait."

Hopefully, those two LHTs are different-

If they are, congratulations Rev!

To say that I am envious is to say that the ocean is damp.

I've been looking for a 1000 and a Team Miyata for a while.

The team miyata is a sweet bike. I love mine; it's been sitting in a box, though! I need to think about building it back up.

Frustrating evening yesterday. The seller and I had agreed on things. I called back a few hours later to make final arrangements. He informed me that someone else had offered him $400. I called back this morning to check on things, left a message and received no return call. I did not know he had listed on Ebay. Slimeball.

Just checked the listing. 6 days left. 27 bids, $660. Bizarre feeding frenzy. I've seen better condition 1000s go for less. Only thing I can think is that folks in Chicago area who offered more and thought they had it through Craigs are just pissed enough to bid stupidly.

At $660 plus, I'd rather have a Surly LHT than the Miyata 1000. But the seller undepriced it originally on CL and probably realized his mistake after your initial e-mail. I've seen sales on CLs go like this before.

Look at it this way, the dude who tried dicking you over by offering $100 more just got dicked over as well.

Although it's crappy because it makes people go back on their word- it's just true that "money talks."

When my Trek 720 was listed for $650- I texted and the guy said he'd call me back- I knew someone was going to offer more. When I talked to the guy- I was surprised- and when he said we'd finish the deal in the morning, I knew someone was going to offer more. When we talked in the morning, I was sure someone was going to offer more in the time it took for me to drive from Waukesha to Milwaukee.

In the end, while we talked in the lobby of his apartment building, he was getting alerts every minute. I'm very grateful that he chose me to buy his bike.

I sent him a pic of the bike a few days ago- with panniers and everything on. Kind of a glamour shot.

Yours will come Rev.

Yes, it will come. And there's always some oddball to save the day. Got a chuckle from this CL posting: "MIYATA two ten,Chromoly BDenium triple butter."

A couple things...I'm pretty sure it's a 1990, not 89 due to the bar-ends and specs. Second, you were celebrating your touchdown before the play even started by starting this thread...a little silly. Third, this seller has every right to do what they want, he/she had no deal with you...you didn't give the individual the money, you didn't sign a contract. If you were in same shoes and suddenly realized the value of something you were selling, you'd do the same. So Slimeball...hardly, one could argue you were the slimeball for trying to pick this up for what appears to be well under half-market value.

Verbal agreement is an agreement.

I'm sure it would hold up in the court of law...:lol:. There never was a deal. This thread is silly.

if that were true id be a millionaire after having sued all the flakes on craigslist. people who tell me to hold my item because they want it; but then never show up.

in all seriousness, i don't see why OP is getting so upset. seller realized he was selling his item for much less than its worth. yeah what a scumbag, he should have let OP screw him over :).

I'm sure you could find precendent.

There was a deal, the seller backed out.

Yes, the thread is kind of silly. However, I'll be the guy to say "I'm going to give a little leeway to the guy who's house burned down a couple months ago."


EDIT:
30 seconds of Googling results in this:

"Oral contracts are spoken agreements that are sometimes legally binding. The problem proving an oral contract is the lack of tangible evidence. Oral contract cases often rely on the performance of one or both parties that exhibits a clear reliance on the agreement."

"Certain oral contracts are considered enforceable. Enforceable contracts are those which a legal remedy is offered if they are breached by either party."

"If you wish to form an oral contract, be sure that you can prove that such a contract was made. Having several witnesses, for example, can help establish that your contract exists. Likewise, physical evidence, such as e-mails, letters, receipts or even a thank you card, can count as evidence for your oral contract"

Well,two things. First, I wasn't "so upset." I wasn't devastated, distraught or even angry. I was, as I wrote, frustrated. That's a pretty low key emotion, more akin to nonplussed or irritated than what you and spence have billed it as.

And two, more importantly, I was not screwing over the seller. It's not like I saw a bike on some old frail guy's porch, knocked on his door and convinced him that it would be in his best interests to allow me to haul away his garbage, and out of the goodness of my heart I would give him a little pocket change. The seller publicly listed an item on Craigslist. That meant he had access to the internet through a phone, a tablet or a computer. If he had combined that access and ten free minutes he could have seen that $300 would have been a pretty low listing price for a Miyata 1000.

I had no way of knowing why he listed the bike as he did. I've made purchases before when I've asked the seller why an item was listed lower than I would have anticipated. A few times I've been told that they got a good deal and decided to pay it forward by passing that good deal on. Sometimes I've been told that they "know it's worth more, but I just want to get it out of the house." The point is that the seller stated in his ad how much he wanted for his bike. We spoke over the phone, I told him I was willing to pay his asking price and we agreed on the sale. I didn't and don't see it as a contract, certainly not an enforceable one. But it was frustrating for me when he backed out, especially when he didn't bother to call and say, "Look, I shouldn't have priced this thing with the dartboard in my man cave. It's worth more than I guessed. I'm thinking I'm going to put it on Ebay, but since we had a verbal agreement I'm wondering whether you would consider buying it for $X."

Hopefully this was the seller's first experience with Craigslist and he didn't know the differene between it and ebay. They both serve a purpose and I've utilized both to make purchases.

Lastly (and, yes, I know this is adding a third point to my stated two), I don't know that this is a particularly silly thread. This is a forum for people who love bikes, and in this subforum in particular friends gather virtually to celebrate together over acqusitions of much wanted bikes and to lament and gnash teeth over deals missed or gone south. Pretty standard stuff. If you find this kind of camaradarie silly no one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to read and respond.

It's silly because you were publicly celebrating your "score" before the purchase had even occurred. It's silly that when the purchase didn't occur, you choose to call the seller a slime bag and go on a blaming rampage against the denizens of Chicagoland. The seller isn't a slime bag because he/she didn't sell you the bike. Reality is that you were cherry-picking this from 600 miles away, it didn't work out. Oh well. I haven't found anything in this thread that suggests camaraderie except Golden Boy's attempts to prove that there was something more here than the typical CL rigamarole.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=375184

No. 1. Nice pic to make the point as well!

+1, I feel like an old guy saying this, but what ever happened to your word meaning anything?

Good pic. Blaming rampage? Rampage? Didn't realize I had triple spaced my post, as there's a whole lot between the lines you seem to be reading.

The word is out on Miyata 1000s, even the most novice internet user can figure out their value with one google search. And if they don't search for a value and list it improperly, someone will offer them a lot of money just to secure the sale. They are basically De Rosas nowadays.

Look for any of these bikes, they will be a lot cheaper than a Miyata 1000. I personally think the Fuji and Lotus touring bikes are beautiful, the paint is really nicely done.

Bridgestone RB-T
Bridgestone T-500
Bridgestone T-700
Centurion Pro Tour 15
Centurion Elite GT 15
Fuji Touring Series IV
Fuji Touring Series V
Kuwahara Caravan
Lotus Odyssey
Miyata 610
Nishiki Continental
Nishiki Cresta GT
Nishiki International (note, not all years are full CrMo or full touring)
Nishiki Riviera GT
Nishiki Seral
Novara Randonee
Panasonic PT-3500
Panasonic PT-5000
Panasonic Pro Touring
Panasonic Touring Deluxe
Raleigh Alyeska
Raleigh Kodiak
Raleigh Portage
Raleigh Super Tourer
Raleigh Touring 18
Schwinn Paramount P15-9 Tourer
Schwinn Passage
Schwinn Super Sport, 1981
Schwinn Voyageur/Voyageur SP
Specialized Expedition
Specialized Sequoia
Trek 520
Trek 620
Trek 720
Univega Gran Turismo
Univega Specialisima

The Miyata 1000 is no doubt a fine vintage touring bike, but I really can't see ~$700 for a used touring bike. Let's face it, there is definitely a lot of hype around this model, no doubt due to Sheldon Brown's endorsement. For quite a bit less you can pick up another of the vintage tourers, a nice donor mountain bike, and any other bits you want and have essentially the same bike. You could even get a new Motobecane Gran Turismo with a modern 9 speed drivetrain (XT, Dura ace, sora, Sugino mix) for less. Call me crazy, but I just can't see it.

No. 1. Although I'm a huge Miyata fan. I think the 1000 is overpriced and overhyped if what you want is a fine touring bike. If, on the other hand, you have a need to own one, by all means pay what the market is charging at this point.

"Attempts?"

You have 22 posts over the course of just short of 2 years. It's clear you don't understand this "camaraderie" among this group of people, you don't interract with the people here. I don't know the Rev's name. I know he bought a bike off CL that I was relatively interested in, he did a restoration of that bike that was very nice. I also know that his house burned down a couple of months ago.

There is nothing here- you're right, this is a 'Leon Lett dancing before getting to the endzone' situation. However, I understand that joy of finding something really cool, and wanting to shout about it. I'm sorry that you don't understand that joy, even if it is premature.

You're welcome to come and talk, you're welcome to be a part of this group. You're welcome to participate in conversations, and learn who's helpful, who knows their ****, and who's not. Right now, you're choosing to participate- Your opinion of me is probably not going to be favorable because of the way you're choosing to interract with me; you chose to engage me further. However, if you post a thread that I may know something about, I will give you the best information that I can, unless you're a dick to me-

And once again- I do believe you're wrong, about "he/she had no deal with you." By agreeing to sell the bike for the given price, the seller entered into a contract with the Rev. The seller broke that contract, and then apparently broke the contract he made after the Rev by placing the bike on eBay. I don't see anything other than frustration in having something slip through his fingers. I don't see this "blaming rampage."


http://images2.memedroid.com/images/...7544a5a5e.jpeg