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KonAaron Snake 04-28-14 06:26 PM

Nahhh...REG rat trap, I have a couple I found at a yard sake and this was a good home for it.

juvela 04-28-14 07:44 PM

thank you for the information about the bottle cage KonAaron Snake. :thumb:

REG is one of the three product lines done by the company Rampinelli,

the others are ROTO and Cobra Tools.

ROTO SRL, bicycles parts and accessories, personalized bottles, bottles for the promotion, sports bottles

REG and Roto parts

KonAaron Snake 04-28-14 07:49 PM

I didn't know COBRA and REG were related, so thank YOU for the information.

Side note - would there be any interest in a bike forums water bottle? I don't think we have enough users here to buy 500-1000, but across the forum we might.

http://www.roto.it/en/products/roto/...zed-printings/

juvela 04-28-14 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake (Post 16710693)
I didn't know COBRA and REG were related, so thank YOU for the information.

Side note - would there be any interest in a bike forums water bottle? I don't think we have enough users here to buy 500-1000, but across the forum we might.

ROTO SRL, bicycles parts and accessories, personalized bottles, bottles for the promotion, sports bottles

now there is an idea! ;)

the artwork would of course have to be "vintage." :D

juvela 04-28-14 08:15 PM

there are likely a good number of bozzi enthusiasts reading this thread and i have a bozzi question i have long wondered about.

of his three marques all were begun somewhere else by someone else. in north america where i am domiciled we see a good number of frejus and of legnano cycles but almost no examples of his third badge - wolsit. am assuming that this is due to a lack of organised importation. did tom avenia, for example, ever bring in any wolsit?

there be some history information regarding this marque below:

Wolsit

Wolsit bicycles of Italy

thank you for any information. ;)

rootboy 04-29-14 03:28 AM


Originally Posted by juvela (Post 16710065)

emilio usually placed a reynolds sticker on the downtube of the quality models. supposedly this was to indicate the main triangle reynolds. suspect stays always falck or a.l. columbo because of the chainstay dimples.
wonder if perhaps the sticker ghost on the seat tube may be for something other than tubing.

Hmmm. Most of the examples from this era that I've seen pictures of, the decal was placed on the seat tube.

http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/...us/Frejus5.jpg

rootboy 04-29-14 03:36 AM

Perhaps the down tube placement started in the late 60's into the 70's ?

iab 04-29-14 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by juvela (Post 16710759)
there are likely a good number of bozzi enthusiasts reading this thread and i have a bozzi question i have long wondered about.

of his three marques all were begun somewhere else by someone else. in north america where i am domiciled we see a good number of frejus and of legnano cycles but almost no examples of his third badge - wolsit. am assuming that this is due to a lack of organised importation. did tom avenia, for example, ever bring in any wolsit?

there be some history information regarding this marque below:

Wolsit

Wolsit bicycles of Italy

thank you for any information. ;)

Paolo's stuff on Wolsit

Bici Classiche : wolsit

Mayno's stuff on Wolsit,

paramanubrio: Wolsit

juvela 04-29-14 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by rootboy (Post 16711320)
Perhaps the down tube placement started in the late 60's into the 70's ?

yes, thank you rootboy.

that must be it. :thumb:

prior to reading forum had seen few pre-boom bozzi bici.

devinfan 04-29-14 11:22 AM

What a great find. 60's bikes are my favourite and this one's no exception. Congrats on a lovely bike.

aixaix 04-29-14 12:29 PM

The thing that made me wonder about the dating is the head badge/seat clamp combo.
I believe the head badge on the OP's bike was only fitted in 1956, as they ran out of space for more CdM dates and left them out entirely on the later badges, such as on Aaron's bike.
I've seen plenty of bikes with the later badges and seat clamp ears, but not the OP's combination.

Here's some good info & photos:
Frejus in Britain

John E 04-29-14 12:52 PM

Great bike, but of course I am partial to road bikes of that vintage. :)

The crankset looks a lot like the Agrati on Capo #2 -- the spider was forged integrally with the right crank, instead of being pressed on.

The original Simplex 3-to-6-bolt adapters can handle a 45T chainring, minimum -- the previous owner had set up Capo #2 w/ 58(!)-45, which I replaced w/ my favorite combination, 49-46.

3alarmer 04-29-14 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by juvela (Post 16710065)
3alarmer -

you mentioned spindle is from tullio. this made me wonder about cups. a bit of the fixed can be seen in one photo and it appears to be the sort of three-dogger one would expect. are the cups marked from the carousel company or do they say tullio as well? perhaps o.e.m. spindle pitted at some point and was replaced...

is champion bend wide enough for you? these bikes always seemed to come with a 38 no matter how large the frame. can be difficult to find a vintage bend wider than 38...

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...the cups are marked as Campagnolo on both sides. I know what you mean about vintage bars, but I'm kinda vintage myself,
so I manage to accommodate my riding positions to a variety of widths.

Anything I intend to ride regularly and more aggressively, I usually just replace the bar with something more modern with a center
reinforcing sleeve at the stem, and hang the originals in the garage somewhere. I hope it does not create problems for subsequent
owners, but I broke a bar at the stem once, and it was quite upsetting.

juvela 04-30-14 04:03 PM

thank you iab for these two links.

both are new to me; much appreciated! ;)

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thank you three alarmer for the information regarding the bb. odd that it is a mixed set with tullio bb fittings and carousel company chainset.

sounds like you are well on top of manubari matters. :)

dating is curious. iirc the campag record chainset and front mech launched right about the same time in 1959-60. the pros would typically get new components a bit before they were available to the general public so this can slightly complicate the timelines.

since machine is clearly a first quality model it seems odd to be fitted with a gran sport front mech and a rear mech which did not launch until 1963.

not challenging anyone's dating; just curious to understand more/better.

thank you again. :thumb:

juvela 10-22-14 04:57 PM

wrt wolsit -

just ran across this cl entry for a sixties era frameset.

question for the experts: maybe it is just my tired old eyes or a photographic effect but the top and down tubes look to be slightly bent just behind the head lugs. what do you think?

Wolsit Road Bike Frame Vintage 60s Emilio Bozzi Tosi Legnano Frejus Campagnolo


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