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Old 05-11-14, 03:53 PM
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Help ID'ing Argentina bike & mainly Argentine parts

So I picked up a "Roger Competition" today. The paint job is immaculate. It is a cool green that you might find on a bottle fly. The bike has a lot of really neat and unusual parts and decals.

The bike says on the chainstay "designed by Cosme Saavedra." Remigo Saavedra placed 15th in the 1928 olympics: Olympic Road Championship 1928 - CyclingFever - The International Cycling Social Network - Get the Cycling fever!. There is also a Cosme Saavedra who rode in the 1924 and 28 Olympics: Cosme Saavedra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. This may be the same person. In any case Cosme is from Mendoza where the best wine in the country is grown. The NW of Argentina is beautiful and mountainous and no doubt a great place for an aspiring racer to learn his trade. In any case the bike has a bunch of olympic type decals including the headtube badge.

The frame has some neat decals. The tubing sticker says canos 538 trafilados and the sticker looks like a kind of Reynolds 531 knock off. Also on the seat post is a decal saying made in Argentina and handmade. The seatpost diameter is 26.4 and the tubing is seamless. The seatpost is a campy NR knock off with the saavedra name. The cranks have saavedra etched on them as well.

The derailleurs are a campy knock off called cambato gran sport. Disraeli gears has a discussion of the derailleur: Gambato Gran Sport derailleur. It dates from the mid-1970s but notes that it is a copy of the 1953 gran sport.

The hubs are Pelissiers and they are in beautiful shape (as are all the parts). Here is a velo orange blog post on Pelissier hubs: The Velo ORANGE Blog: Pelissier and his Hubs ? The rims do not have a name but they look like pretty decent alloy rims with an eyelet. They are 27 inch and the tires are made in Argentina; the tubes are schrader.

The freewheel says nomacca. I have no idea what kind of freewheel remover it will take. The crank has 52-45 rings and the freewheel is 13-28. The brakes, bar, and stem are "catalano."

It is an unusual bike esp. given that I picked it up in my fair city of Des Moines, Iowa.

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Old 05-11-14, 04:01 PM
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i have the same bike in the same colour. it is 57cm c-t-t. she came as a partial bike to me with a few of her original gambato components.

the history information on gambato & saavedra at disraeli gears is the only thing i have found on these bicycles/parts as well.


Derailleurs from Argentina

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I'm thinking this bike may be a really cool fixie conversion. I have wheels built up with surly hubs. I'll probably add a white saddle, white tape, and maybe a pair of radical white platform pedals. I'll probably stick with gumwall tires though; I have some old school michelin gumwalls that would look good. I'll probably scrounge around the local co-op to source some center pull brakes. I have sidepulls that would work but mafac brakes would look right on this bike; weinmann or dia compe would be fine as well. This could be my pub bike, .

By the way, not only is the bike immaculate (it was obviously a garage queen) but the paint job is absolutely first rate. There is plenty of chrome on this bike as well. I have no idea what it is but this is a quality frame.

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Hello Bikemig,

it's great to be able to see your example in such excellent condition and nearly complete. i purchased mine as a whole bike in the mid-'80's from a young woman who had just graduated from law school at U.C. Berkeley and was getting ready to move away.

it only had a few of the original fittings; she joked that she needed a bicycle whose parts actually worked. the story i got was that she purchased it from a young man in the U.S. who had lived in Argentina and worked for Saavedra. when he returned home he took out some/all of his pay in bicycles and brought them back to the U.S.

the bicycle's tranfers are not clear coated and some of them on my example are gone. so it is with interest that i see the good pictures of your cycle with all of its transfers.

i suspect that the wheels on your bike were probably changed out by a previous owner who did not wish to deal with tubulars.

if you go ahead with your project i hope you don't do anything that cannot be reversed. such that one could put the machine back into an ex-works configuration in the future if desired.

thank you for posting. nice job with the pictures.


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ps - i have discovered that saavedra bicycles routinely show up on the pages of argentine ebay.
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Very cool bike! Thanks for sharing

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Cosme and Remigio were 2 of 4 brothers who were major bike racers in their day (the 1920s) in Argentina:

Cosme Saavedra, el padre del ciclismo | TRIAMAX.COM

Cosme Saavedra el precursor - Más Deportes - Diario Los Andes

Nunca dejó la ruta del ejemplo - 06.07.1998 - lanacion.com *

@juvela: I won't do anything radical to the bike if I turn it into a fixie.
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my mistake about the wheels. did not read the part where you stated rims are argentine. it must be that gambato did not produce hubs...

have heard that argentina had strong protective tariffs, at least back when these bicycles were produced. so most folks have/had indigenous silverland mounts.

best wishes with the bicycle.
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
my mistake about the wheels. did not read the part where you stated rims are argentine. it must be that gambato did not produce hubs...

have heard that argentina had strong protective tariffs, at least back when these bicycles were produced. so most folks have/had indigenous silverland mounts.

best wishes with the bicycle.
Argentina had very high protective tariffs, as was common throughout much of Latin America, as a means to protect and foster industrialization. That goes a long ways towards explaining why almost everything spec'd on the bike (other than the French Pelissier hubs) was made in Argentina.

Many of the parts on the bike are branded Saavedra; here is some info on Saavedra components:

https://www.tearsforgears.com/2005/11...a-headset.html

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thank you bikemig,

most excellent sleuthing on your part!
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If you're going to fix that ride, why not ship that Gambato RD off to Disraeli Gears? it looks like a different model than the one and only example he has on his website.

Cromovelato paint jobs are teh sex. Your's looks like it's in amazing condition
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If you're going to fix that ride, why not ship that Gambato RD off to Disraeli Gears? it looks like a different model than the one and only example he has on his website.

Cromovelato paint jobs are teh sex. Your's looks like it's in amazing condition
I was thinking of sending pics of the derailleurs to the Disreali Gears website but I guess the owner of the site has a colletion of derailleurs.

In any case, good to know that this is called a cromovelato paint job. I guess this tells you how many fully chromed bikes I've owned up until now!
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Just learned this week that as of forty years ago this month there was a Saavedra branch office operating in Los Angeles, California.

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Just learned this week that as of forty years ago this month there was a Saavedra branch office operating in Los Angeles, California.

Very cool
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The forum had an earlier thread on a rather fancy Saavedra Roger bicycle:



https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...tine-bike.html
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This post on one of the South American cycling forums gives some Saavedra history and includes photos -

Remigio Saavedra: el día del ciclista «
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